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Ealing Dump Greenford Rd

I've just filled 10 black bags with junk from over the years in my garage.Does anyone know if the greenford rd dump will take as is or do I have to sort into type of refuse?

David P Archer ● 4393d53 Comments

Try putting it on freecycle:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ealingfreecycle/infoYou have to think about what you are going to do with waste before you create it.  You need to take better care of materials if you can so that they can be reused in some way.The same with businesses - if they can find a way to turn their waste into a resource rather than it being waste they are winning.There is a nearby woodworking firm who have now changed the way they heat their building so that they use up what would have been waste before which they would have had to have paid to have taken away.Now that we buy on credit more people can afford to change their bathroom fittings just because they want a different colour.  In the past you changed things generally because they were broken.http://www.wrap.org.uk/content/designing-out-waste-tool-buildings

Philippa Bond ● 4379d

It is getting ridiculous, isn't it? The Grand Union canal will be getting very full

Penny Crocker ● 4379d

I broke up an old shed and took it to the dump and the staff got really heavy and told me that if came again I would have to report to the office and pay, infering I must be trade. Who in trade would use an estate car to take stuff to the dump, I've got a load of broken paving to get rid of but can't unless I pay £200 for a skip

Roy Baker ● 4379d

However this company which is one which LBE uses is opening a new sorting operation in the UK:http://jayplas.com/index.html

Philippa Bond ● 4379d

Builders rubble seems to be difficult to find a home for.There is another alternative to a skip.  These are very large bags called Hippobags which you can find at DIY stores.  Take a look at the website.  You can buy the bags online or on the internet.  When the bag is filled you phone up and request removal.  There may also be other companies doing this.  http://www.hippobag.co.uk/?gclid=COTNlve7iL4CFRDItAodAHwA-wI have also seen a company advertised with vans that collect your unwanted "junk".  I believe that they also do these sort of bags.  You must make sure they are licensed waste carriers.Take a look at this website and you will find companies that collect furniture and white goods which work. The British Heart Foundation does as well. Some of these collect free. That makes 7+1 places.  Then there is this website and ebay and Gumtree and Freecycle etc.  http://westlondonwaste.gov.uk/    Hover over Reduce Waste and a lot of further info appears.For non working white goods many companies that you buy from have a take-back scheme so you pay a small amount and they remove the old appliance and take the packaging away for the new one at the same time.There is free electrical recycling for commercial companies' equipment available and there are new recycling banks for householders small electrical equipment - there is one of these at Sainsbury's Chiswick and one opposite South Ealing tube that I have seen.  Others will be listed on the Council website.http://www.recycleforlondon.com/content/free-electricals-recycling-businessWe need to make the most of our waste as so much of it can be viewed as a valuable resource.

Philippa Bond ● 4380d

And if you can't sell the usable type plastic - then into the general waste it goes, thus, the plastic bin is now a carpet bin.  China's growth rate has dropped from double digets to 7.7% and is expected to continue dropping to 5% in a year, so maybe not making so many linings for handbags these days.

Charles Campbell ● 4382d

A couple of weekends ago I spend a happy three hours helping a friend in Elers Road fill a skip with concrete and other rubble from the old drive that he is tearing up pending relaying it with fancy tiles.I was interested in the price of this skip as I imagined it would be expensive.Well, it wasn't cheap at something around £160 (I think, as memory is already fading) but this turns out to be far and away the most economical way of shifting any serious quantity of material.To put it another way, that works out at around 2.7p per kilo.The problem of course is that many people do not need a whole skip (although smaller ones ar available).My friend's retired neighbour was telling us that at one time the council offered a closely guarded secret free service whereby if one got together with a couple of neighbours they would deliver a skip for free.Not sure if Ealing is still offering this service or not but I do know that when I was living in Cambridge twenty five years ago now such skips were routinely provided to all roads with council houses on them at least twice a year and boy did they fill up fast.

Tony Colliver ● 4382d

Lots of places don't take plastic film - and some film is now marked that it can be placed in the carrier bag recycling bins of the larger stores.Do you think that this was just because it is seen as something that should be reused rather than recycled?  Recycling tends to be an end of life process.

Philippa Bond ● 4382d

Where is the private tip of which you speak please?

Tony Colliver ● 4382d

I misremembered.The limit is a ton and a quarter per household.

Tony Colliver ● 4382d

I don't understand the widespread non-recycling of bubble wrap.It's just polythene after all...

Tony Colliver ● 4382d

http://www.closedlooprecycling.co.uk/news/vince-cable-opens-new-plastic-recycling-line-at-world-leading-dagenham-plantHe also opened London's first Anaerobic Digestion plant which will help fuel the plant above.http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/analysis/2341166/vince-cable-hails-vast-investment-potential-of-energy-from-food-waste

Philippa Bond ● 4383d

Yes there has to be a paper trail for waste nowadays.  Hence the fuss about WTNs.  You can't export just what you want either and China which used to take a lot of mixed plastic has become a lot more fussy.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/9671236/China-cracks-down-on-low-quality-plastic-from-the-UK.html

Philippa Bond ● 4383d

Everything taken to the dump is nicely sorted for them so that they can sell it to the traveling purchasers who take away the sorted loads. Incidentally, the traveling purchasers have to have licences to buy the waste!

Peter Mcleod ● 4384d

Gerry  What I really like is when people offer things on this website or ask questions on this website (or others).  It is wonderful to get other people's ideas on where to go for something or how to fix something.I walked down the street yesterday and thought how wonderful all the little gardens in front of the houses are.  Some including mine aren't particularly tidy but they are green.  I love seeing what people are growing and what grows well in them.  In contrast I was in a neighbouring borough the other night  and the front gardens were all concreted over and populated with enormous wheelie bins which were taller and fatter than me. These spaces were untidy, unloved and very grey and depressing.

Philippa Bond ● 4384d

Did you read the article here:http://myzerowaste.com/?s=construction+wasteYou don't have to take it to Household Reuse & Recycling Centre.  You just need to dispose of it legally and there is also the problem of being registered to carry it if it is not your waste.I can't imagine that the Contractor would have tendered for the job if he didn't think that there would be something in it for him.  We don't know exactly what the contract is between the Council and the Contractor anyway.Markets go up and down due to supply and demand. Paper for instance - now that people are using and throwing away less of it - has gone up in value. What about all the organisational and transportation costs that have to be factored in?

Philippa Bond ● 4384d

Because we are doing it and because other councils are doing this it does not make it right. The building waste will be sorted and graded and sold on for hardcore by Ealing Council's contractor. They will then profit.

Peter Mcleod ● 4384d

Our Council Tax (for those of us who pay) is just for household waste.  Most Councils appear to allow a small amount of DIY waste. Business waste has to be paid for so you either pay the builder to take it away and he in turn either sells or reuses what is reusable and then pays for the remainder to be disposed of at another registered site or you find another licenced waste carrier to do this. He may not be licenced as a waste carrier.We need to make less waste and reuse more things.Check out other Councils - you will find the same.

Philippa Bond ● 4384d

If they are recyclable then isn't there a reclamation yard that will take them?  This what is considered builder's waste - not household waste.  They don't have to take all kinds of waste.http://www.yell.com/s/salvage+and+reclamation-ealing-west+london.htmlI haven't tried any of them myself.There is also freecycle where people offer these sort of things direct to people who want them to avoid the problems of the restrictions using the Household Reuse & Recycling Centres.

Philippa Bond ● 4384d

I have had a re-think on this one. For some people putting all their rubbish out in one bag is all that they can manage barring a radical re-engineering of social services provision and funding. So Nigel, I suggest you mellow out on this one.

Peter Mcleod ● 4385d

We've just had a new porch roof fitted and the builder asked my husband to recycle the old tiles so we wouldn't be charged. Kev drove to the Acton dump....no, can't take the old ones there - had to drive to Greenford ! Drove to Greenford, had to go on the weighbridge ! It was 151 kilos and the limit is 140 kilos so they wanted £19.50 !! Kev removed 2 of the sacks and they accepted that. Feel like fly tipping the rest ! Why should I pay for the privilege of recycling personal waste (we aren't builders) - we already pay quite enough in council tax. Irritable.

Penny Crocker ● 4385d

Thanks Philippa for your championing this waste and recycling issue - everyone I'm sure is most grateful - a good community effort. Thanks again. Cheers. :-)

Gerry Tan ● 4385d

Another link on construction waste:http://myzerowaste.com/2010/05/construction-waste/

Philippa Bond ● 4385d

Should of course have put this one in:http://westlondonwaste.gov.uk/reuse-guide/paint/

Philippa Bond ● 4385d

http://myzerowaste.com/2014/02/paint-recycling-recycle-paint-cans/http://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/200489/recycling_rubbish_and_waste/292/re-use_and_recycling_centres/3http://www.richmond.gov.uk/townmead_roadMake sure you have looked at the websites and have all the IDs eg proof of residence etc that you need.

Philippa Bond ● 4385d

Everybody is now supposed to be implementing the Waste Hierarchy.It starts with REDUCE & REUSE.  There is work being done to make it easier to find alternatives to landfill or incineration.There is lots of information and lots of interesting case studies on this website.http://www.wrap.org.uk/node/20491

Philippa Bond ● 4385d

Not disputing your point about the Council's lack of business acumen but they probably charge more for waste because they are subject to fines if they use more landfill and they have targets for recycling. In the strange way of 21st century Government even though the builders' waste still goes to landfill not taking it improves the Council's apparent recycling rate.

Andy Jones ● 4385d

Which way was the wind blowing?I was there just before Easter.  It wasn't a skip - I presume that was changed a long time ago when kerbside plastic recycling started and I stopped visiting Stirling Road so often.  It was a Eurobin type bin with graphics of plastic bottles and tubs on the outside.They are failing (whoever they are) if they can't co-ordinate what the website says and what actually happens when you get there.  The Councillors need to know what is going on.  Both residents and workers there are being failed if there are not enough collections/not enough bins.  The Council is trying to increase its recycling rate BUT it does also need to encourage people to reduce their packaging waste.  If there is too much packaging on something then leave that extra packaging at the till...  or better still don't buy it in the first place.

Philippa Bond ● 4386d

When was that?  I was there over the Easter weekend and the bin that was previously used for plastic was being used for carpets, mattresses, pillows etc.  The only plastic container was a small one similar to the ones they use for paper and I was told that was only for plastic bottles.  Other plastic now goes into the general waste.  Was it a one off then?

Charles Campbell ● 4387d

This is what the website says:"PlasticsAll types of household plastic, pots, tubs, trays, bottles. Please rinse containers out first.No polystyrene, pvc or clingfilm or bubble wrap"I suspect they may run out of room - and then tell you tip everything else in their beloved compactor.  If you are having trouble recycling your plastic then email your Councillors or Cllr Gary Malcolm who has always had an interest here.

Philippa Bond ● 4387d

Michael  Thanks for that info.  We used to take ours there before there was a plastics kerbside collection at all.  I guess an alternative is to make friends with someone who has a white bag plastics collection and share.You can take some plastic bags back to the larger supermarkets eg Sainsbury's Chiswick to recycle with the carrier bags.  It is time that more of them were.Those plastic milk bottles are particularly valuable for recycling as they are recycled back into....  plastic milk bottles!

Philippa Bond ● 4387d

There is now a separate recycling bin forhousehold plastics at Stirling Road. We go there for the household plastics that can not be put in our clear sack recycling.

Michael Ashdown ● 4387d

We know that plastic bottles are more valuable because we have pre-sorted them into just a few types of plastic by separating them out.Just before Easter Stirling Road had a recycling bank for plastic bottles and tubs just behind the car parking.The contracts are often different for the Recycling Centres than for the kerbside recycling.http://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/200489/recycling_rubbish_and_waste/276/why_recycle/3

Philippa Bond ● 4387d

BTW, plastic, except plastic bottles, go into general waste now, at least at Stirling Road, so no need to separate.

Charles Campbell ● 4388d

Residents in Hounslow regularly use Stirling Road (Ealing) and Townmead Road Kew (Richmond) Reuse & Recycling sites.The WLWA website says use the one nearest to you.  It may for instance be more more convenient to go to Kew if you have paint than Greenford.  It depends on what you are taking.http://www.richmond.gov.uk/repaint_scheme

Philippa Bond ● 4388d

Peter - using the website you were using - here is a chart showing how landfill rates are rising and expaining Landfill Tax.http://www.360environmental.co.uk/legislation/waste_legislation/landfill_tax/

Philippa Bond ● 4388d

Hang about, I'm confused. Does being in the West London Waste Authority allow one who resides in Ealing to use the Richmond or any other WLWA site? The WLWA website doesn't seem to make it clear. Thanks.

Gerry Tan ● 4388d

I was there at the weekend and saw an elderly lady in a mobility scooter drive up the ramp! Safety issues aside, I admired her determination!!!

Tom Clifford ● 4388d

Richmond is part of the West London Waste Authority - a joint waste authority - which includes Ealing.http://westlondonwaste.gov.uk/recycling-sites/

Philippa Bond ● 4388d

When I was replacing three sides of my mother’s fence including the neighbours a few years ago. They pulled me up because they said I was bringing too much waste but once I explained that it included the neighbours fence they were fine. So as long as you have a valid reason there seems to be no limit for household waste. I would not take my commercial waste there as the council charge about £190.00 per ton but at another private tip they only charge £90 surely if this tip make a profit the council should charge around the same, but there again the council have no idea about business finance. 

Tony Maxey ● 4391d

Tony Colliver wrote:"Apparently, they draw the line at a quarter of a tonne of free stuff per household per year.I once did get perilously close to this whilst disposing of several whole trailer loads of computers a few years ago which is how I know."...Are you sure that they don't seek to apply such a limit, in cases where what's being disposed of, clearly isn't household waste ?  This is based on the assumption that the recycling facilities are provided for the free disposal of householdand garden waste - everything from old cookers todismembered trees - the contents of garages and unusedDIY building materials - but wouldn't necessarily apply to trailer loads of old computers  michael adams...

Michael Adams ● 4391d

Okay, okay, POINT TAKEN.

Peter Mcleod ● 4391d

Indeed there are but few necessitate the need to "throw the bags into the void beyond" especially as the guys at Greenford will help those with mobility problems by taking their sorted recycling to the relevant containers for them.

Nigel Brooks ● 4391d

There are differing types and levels of disability...

Peter Mcleod ● 4391d

Does it.I use two crutches but manage to sort my recycling and will gladly do the same for anyone more disabled than me. A rather pathetic excuse methinks.

Nigel Brooks ● 4392d

Depends on your state of health....Also, I would rather see someone take an unsorted load of rubbish to the dump rather than leaving it on the street....

Peter Mcleod ● 4392d

Apparently, they draw the line at a quarter of a tonne of free stuff per household per year.Said limit of which can only realistically apply if you are in a vehicle (or towing a trailer) which they insist goes over the weighbridge of course.I once did get perilously close to this whilst disposing of several whole trailer loads of computers a few years ago which is how I know.

Tony Colliver ● 4392d

Sorry Peter, I am not an 'ecomentalist' but it's called a recycling centre for a reason.Ten minutes of sorting it and five minutes extra while you are there cuts down the amount going to landfill. Hence Ealing pay less in landfill tax and you pay less in council tax ultimately Ealing have more money to spend on services for all (how they spend it is a totally separate debate).

Nigel Brooks ● 4392d

Just drive up to the general waste section (near the paint recycling), park up with your rear to the wall, open the rear and throw the bags into the void beyond. The only stuff they get upset about is building and DIY rubble. Also, try and use normal black plastic bin bags rather than builders rubble bags as those immediately draw attention.You are a householder and you are entitled to take a reasonable number of bags of domestic rubbish and other things to the dump! You are paying for it in your Council Tax!

Peter Mcleod ● 4392d

All pretty academic really as if you cannot prove residency in LB Richmond then you will either be asked to leave or charged commercial rates.

Nigel Brooks ● 4392d

LB Richmond Press Release:"New and improved Townmead Road depot has reopenedRelease Date: 14/04/2014The newly renovated Townmead Road Re-use and Recycling centre reopened on Monday 14 April.Richmond Council has completed major improvements to safety measures and increased the speed of service at the depot in Kew. The site had been closed for five weeks.Improvements include:New road for large commercial vehicles to keep separate from residentsImproved CCTV and lightingThe weighbridge has been relocated for ease of use to trade customersA new concrete plinth provides safe segregated walkwaysAll waste needs to be separated for recycling and placed in the correct containerFor guidance on how to use the site visit the Townmead Road page, or for any queries call the Council’s contact centre on 020 8891 1411.View the full press releaseUp to:April 2014Updated: 16 April 2014"http://www.richmond.gov.uk/home/services/rubbish_and_recycling/townmead_road#whoIt is good to be able to see via twitter what the waiting time is.You are expected to have sorted everything - pretty clear instructions - including a plan of the site. Don't forget to check whether you can use the site and take your ID.

Philippa Bond ● 4392d

That's why they were rebranded Reuse & Recycling Centres!I was impressed last time I went (before cardboard collection was introduced at Stirling Road... or kerbside) as it was so much more extensive and comprehensive than Stirling Road.BTW the price charged for disposal of commercial waste is TWICE AS MUCH UNSORTED as it is sorted.  Take at look at the website for details. http://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/200489/recycling_rubbish_and_waste

Philippa Bond ● 4393d

They may ask you to open the bags to check for items which can be recycled as the recycling hoppers are adjacent to the landfill collection point and they expect you, rightly, to recycle that which can be recycled.

Nigel Brooks ● 4393d