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IMMIGRANTS

One should understand these people are desperate to earn money and are driving jobs away from the youngsters leaving school. The wages have been driven down to this point that one has no other choice than to look for these cheap labour.It is not a good idea of allowing this to carry on .

Paul Virdee ● 4632d34 Comments

Funny how some types of people immediately call others racist when they reply to a posting or bring up a topic!Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you may not agree with it but then you don't have to!

Jean F Fernandez ● 4616d

Ok, sorry - cheap shot... :O)

Tom Clifford ● 4617d

I read any newspaper I find lying around at work or elsewhere but rarely buy one.To judge people by the paper they read is plain daft...the Mail has a hangover from pre-WW2 days when it was seen to side with appeasement of Germany and is seen now as the Tory attack dog of the press.The Grauniad also has much to anser for imo,as they all might, particularly when it described some years ago Gerry Adams as ' an international statesman'. They can keep sentiments like that thankyou very much.

Keith Iddon ● 4617d

I don’t understand the reference to the Daily Mail. Would you rather read the Sun the Mirror or maybe the Guardian?People buy newspapers for own reasons not because their into politics or financial views. Journalists like to sensationalise, editors like this because it sells news papers. If it wasn’t for the Daily Mail we would have Russell Howard as PM.

Tony Maxey ● 4617d

Certainly does!

Tom Clifford ● 4618d

Keeps it entertaining though Tom.Reading the reactions is often as much fun as reading the rabid generalisations such as those from "the Oompah Loompah worrier".

Nigel Brooks ● 4618d

Funny how people with these type of views seem to swoop in, make some ill-informed radbid sweeping generalisation, and then go quiet when they`re asked to back it up with more than a link to a Dail Mail article...

Tom Clifford ● 4618d

Yeah cos only IMMIGRANTS do that, right Charlie...?

Tom Clifford ● 4619d

Dont complain then when you are robbed on the street or robbed in your home while you sleep

charlie bucket ● 4619d

Dont complain then when you are robbed on the street or robbed in your home while you sleep

charlie bucket ● 4619d

I would say your observations support the view that not all immigrants are over here to steal our jobs, sleep with our women, and bleed our welfare system dry..

Tom Clifford ● 4625d

I resolutely refuse to order 'chocolate of colour' :-)

Nigel Brooks ● 4625d

That's a racist statement too Leslie...;-0

Keith Iddon ● 4625d

I heard that after Charlie took over the chocolate factory he sacked all the Oompa Loompas and other immigrant workers, but he went out of business shortly afterwards as there were no racially pure workers with the requisite skills. That's why you can't buy a Wonka's chocolate bar anywhere these days----------------------------------------------------------------Plus all white chocolate was pretty naff anyway!And once all the "IMMIGRANTS" were sacked there was only him left, and spellchecker didn't work with his paper and crayon book-keeping!

Leslie Bailey ● 4625d

I heard that after Charlie took over the chocolate factory he sacked all the Oompa Loompas and other immigrant workers, but he went out of business shortly afterwards as there were no racially pure workers with the requisite skills. That's why you can't buy a Wonka's chocolate bar anywhere these days.

Paul Conlan ● 4625d

Charlie has, of course, only Willy Wonka (probably an immigrant) to blame :-)

Nigel Brooks ● 4626d

I am sure whichever 'Nationalist' organisation you refer to Charlie is delighted to have such an eloquent a spokesman as your good self. Carry on...

Keith Iddon ● 4626d

Oh dear...

Tom Clifford ● 4626d

you all have only youselves to blame, you should start following the Nationalist vote if you know whats good for you

charlie bucket ● 4626d

I think "IMMIGRANTS" as opposed to "immigrants" in this context means Johnny Foreigner...

Tom Clifford ● 4628d

"Are we talking Immigrants or Illegal Immigrants?"  Good question Oliver. I dunno much about illegal ones, but I have observed some interesting things lately in our very borough.In the last couple of years, we've been to some shops, offices, the bankers and numerous other services and firms in Ealing, where we've encountered the following names: Khan, Pong, Siddiqui, Gebre Davit(Eritrean), Karunaratne(spelling?), Sulemanket, Engineer, Ramanathan and many other exotic sounding names. A few Smiths and Jones, but very few. The exotic ones are almost always keen to please, efficient and polite. I'm not sure what I make of this but I'm certain most aren't people born in the UK but seem to be second or third generation Brits and as they generally work for large national companies are not illegal immigrants.  Just random observations. Anybody care to comment?

Gerry Tan ● 4628d

Are we talking Immigrants or Illegal immigrants?When it comes to immigrants who are here legally, I'm afraid I would almost always choose an immigrant over a British applicant.Over the last 20 years, the difference in performance, quality of work, attendance, punctuality, attitude and honesty is almost incomparable.Our biggest problem is with UK graduates. Very few excel or are able to carry out projects without creating problems. And attitude is a huge problem. They are convinced they are God's gift just because they went to Uni.Fact is most of our non university EU employees run rings around them and learn fast and thoroughly.Several of our Non-university employees also perform much better than graduates and we are now changing our company policy to ensure they do not get held back against graduates when it comes to promotions.We do not employ immigrants as cheap labour, but we do set a few goals which are salary incremental. English and communicative skills which we fund.Those who need to embrace this and do it on top of their normal workload and it can be the hardest thing they do here.We know that during the recession and these tough times that the people who stepped up to the breach and worked us through some quite tough challenges were our immigrant staff, whom without, we would quite likely foundered.We don't expect anyone to work,work, work. That's for the senior management and directors. But they did work very diligently without ever being asked.It's underlined that we need a big sea change in education and attitude for our UK young people. They are not bad but they are very misguided and rather deluded and it seems to come from the university system.

Oliver Gregan ● 4628d

Thats a great article! Really interesting! Certainly explains a lot... However, I don`t believe a word of it... ;O)

Tom Clifford ● 4628d

The fact that the original thread title is in capitals says a lot. I couldn't see any government needing to bribe factories to employ foreign workers. Especially as the minimum wage does the same thing.

Leslie Bailey ● 4628d

With so many young people chasing over 1 job in this country surely the last thing we need is lots more young folk from overseas coming here to fill the vacancy.I merely reported what was on the internet and in various newspapers, it is up to the individual to make of it what they will.

Jean F Fernandez ● 4628d

Beware of thinking facts change people's minds:"Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs."http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

Paul James ● 4628d

That shut them up.... Any of the early posters want to respond unless its just to say "Oh thats what the internet told me"....?

Tom Clifford ● 4629d

My son has taken part in a similar scheme.  Working in France for 6 months, with the added benefit of improving his knowledge of French. Therefore British children are able to go to other European countries, and improve their language skills, and their c.v.  It is not just a scheme for Europeans to work in the UK.

Lisa Barbaric ● 4629d

Chris - How dare you bring "Facts" to this forum. Honestly... :O)

Tom Clifford ● 4629d

This thread is in dire need of some facts.With a simple Google search, I've managed to find out how the scheme will actually work. First, it's a Youth Mobility Scheme aimed at helping 18-30 year olds to find work across Europe. Second, it is still at pilot stage, and aims to help 5,000 people find jobs across Europe. So we're talking about a tiny tiny number here, both in terms of cost and numbers of people. Third, it also provides help to young people from the UK to go to Europe where they will get subsidized language and skills training. They will then bring these skills back to the UK - no bad thing for this country, surely? More information is available here: http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=993It's about time that the discussion about immigration in this country (and in this forum) went beyond the level of knee-jerk reactions, and people started investigating the facts for themselves, rather than being spoon-fed by the red tops.

Chris Gilson ● 4629d

I can only assume that the revelation is absolutely TRUE it was reported in several newspapers and on the internet yesterday.Perhaps one of our MP's would like to comment?

Jean F Fernandez ● 4630d

If they offer £900 bribes to take on foreign worker, then this government has no right to keep shouting off about scroungers and skivers. Nearly every minimum wage job vacancy asks the applicant to bring their proof of their right to work in the UK with them. Now we know why, they only want the foreign ones to work for them. the £900 bribe if true is disgusting.

Leslie Bailey ● 4630d

After readinng articles in some of the nwewspapers today it would appear that the odds are stacked against British workers gaining employment.It would appear that UK Companies are offered up to £900 'bribe' for each foreign worker under an EU scheme, which is undermining the government's demands to employ more Brits.EURES jobs portal partly funded by UK taxpayers pays the costs of interviews for people from other countries as well as funding a move and offering training to help these people get a job.Apparently this is all to help reduce unemployment in the EU!How can this government then say it is all for British jobs for British people? If we go along with their rules surely the much needed jobs are going to those from overseas?

Jean F Fernandez ● 4630d

The thing is, the bubble has burst for Britain as a nation of full employment. If you had manufacturing here with factory workers paid a living wage, you'd end up with prices no-one would be willing to pay (as imports will always be cheaper). Also if you pay them the national minimum wage (NMW), then the taxpayer is asked to make up the difference between NMW and the living wage.As for Immigrants, it is all down to numbers of people living here, the state has to fund far too many adults, either fully or in part, due to the wages now being below what is needed.

Leslie Bailey ● 4632d