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I do hope that everybody getting all angry over halal meat also refuses to eat any meat unless they've first confirmed it was produced according to organic production standards (assuming they eat meat at all, of course). And that those worried about halal food in schools would also insist on school meals containing organic meat only.If, as a meat-eater, you criticise halal or kosher methods of slaughter, and then go on to pay for meat which has been "conventionally" slaughtered but not produced organically, you might want to reconsider your priorities, as you will be financing a system which is infinitely more cruel than the few moments it takes an animal to die in the slaughterhouse, conscious or otherwise.I'm no fan of a painful death for animals, but I'm much more concerned about animals living months or years of a tortured, painful life before their death.Even so called "free range" meat is produced from animals that live in unpleasantly restricted circumstances. Only organic meat production standards (which don't just dictate what animals are fed) actually _require_ providing animals with room to live and move in that might be considered humane.And for those who like to jump on the halal issue in order to give vent to their religious and racial prejudices from behind a transparent veil of respectability, be aware that this applies ESPECIALLY to pork, which is forbidden by both of those traditions. Pigs, being significantly more intelligent animals than most livestock, suffer immensely in intensive farming conditions. They develop stress-related mental illnesses, tics, etc, and live an utterly miserable life.Apart from this affecting the quality of the meat that ends up in the supermarket, it's more cruel by far than a world full of halal slaughterhouses.(An exception can probably be made here for lamb and mutton - which generally can't be produced using the same intensive methods that other mainstream meats are often produced by. And, of course, game, which is generally wild).None of this is to say that halal and kosher slaughter are reasonable or acceptable or beyond criticism. Nor that meat produced inorganically is by definition produced by cruel methods (although unless you know the details of the source, you can safely bet that it was). But if you've got a bee in your bonnet about halal and kosher for animal welfare reasons, yet spend your money in the supermarket on their standard lines of meat products (i.e. those produced by cruel methods) then perhaps a rearrangement of priorities is in order.

Max ● 4914d

Re    I would have thought that was the law in this country? The law in the UK for halal/kosher labelling is is that you don't have to label food as such, this was voted upon in the commons.Just to put my view, as someone who was brought up on Kosher rather than halal food. It is obvious to me that it is not the Muslim community but my own Jewish community that do not want Kosher/Halal meat to be labelled for the public to see and make their own choice (Muslims need to see the Halal logo before buying food). We all know the the well publicised stories of Halal food getting into the main food chain, sports centres etc, but not labelled as such. What is never mentioned is that 75% of a Kosher slaughtered animal is declared non-Kosher and is sold into the mainstream food market. This is the real reason Gerald Kaufmann and others voted against the lebelling of Kosher/Halal meat, the extra cost of being unable to sell on the 75% as it is not seen or accepted as Kosher by Jews, but would have to be labelled as such (In effect Kosher would have to be imported to get around this). This would put massive price rises on (already expensive) Kosher retail meat. I as a human, cannot deny the right of purchaser to have food labelled Kosher or Halal. But many in my community will always vote against it to save the extra expense.As for the school meals situation, It is a total insult to the pupils and parants to have this situation of "eat halal or go without" type of situation, it will lead to EDL type of confrontations/demos as it almost did in Harrow. It is worse than communism in it's style and approach.Below is a link to a halal site where this was discussed, the post below mine there, on New Zealand lamb, raises a few eybrows in my houshold. http://halalfocus.net/2012/04/24/uk-home-%E2%80%BA-news-%E2%80%BA-bid-to-label-all-halal-and-kosher-meat-blocked-by-parliament-after-manchester-mp-forces-vote-bid-to-label-all-halal-and-kosher-meat-blocked-by-parliament-after-manche/

Morrrie Greenberg ● 4918d