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Os A Whittle · 8/29/2012 4:41:00 PM

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Burka Pretence .

I boarded a 607Bus this afternoon at Ealing B/way .A very elderly an disabled person boarded the bus at the same stop.He barely made it towards the first priority seats and very nearly lost his balance and fell. The fist set of Priority seats were taken by Two Burka Clad females pretending to be elderly. I soon realised they were conversing in good English and were young healthy women.All through the journey past Hanwell ,they ignored the dirty looks and mumbling comments they got and carried on their conversation. I intervened politely but it fell on deaf ears.Is this Burka Stupidity or Muslim arrogance?.Whatever it is, should there be an Announcement that the Driver can turn on periodically?

Os A Whittle ● 4993d126 Comments

Fairness should work both ways,...... But these people who are steeped in corruption, fleecing and exploiting this this country especially the NHS ( BBC Panorama) AINT FAIR .... and the likes of you have the gall to support them.... Get real....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4954d

Re bring the service to it's knees. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxit ain't far off if the proposed changes are trying to tell us something. I see Southall featured well in the bent N H S employees making it possible for persons from abroad to get treated here for free. You can't blame'em coming but we can certainly blame OUR employees for stabbing us in the back. It seems as a result of mass immigration, the once entitled Queen of the Suburbs has gained a lot of undesireable fame and attention nationwide. Just another one of the joys!.

Tony Price ● 4958d

I meant to watch it but know what goes on. You continually but not unsurprisingly make false assumptions about me.If you were a penniless immigrant here and ill, don’t tell me that you would not seek medical help regardless of any rules.Would you deserve to be treated with hatred rudeness racial and criminal abuse? No, and you have seen some posters who have told you forcefully what they think of your comment. That is rightly why you get taken and will be taken to task. The key problem lies with the lack of enforcement and weak laws.If you focused your inflamed feelings upon the governments of the day instead of upon vulnerable people your opinions might have some worth. But as soon as you dislike someone’s different view you are uncivil and break the Conduct Rules.

George Knox ● 4958d

Take your blinkers off and turn on TV BBC1 NOW then maybe you will see the light.....though I doubt it since you are one of 'The blind who don't want to see"... It's people like you who encourage tolerance of people who abuse the NHS....and will ultimately bring the service to it's knees. .Illegals getting thousands of pounds worth of treatment. Ggggg

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4958d

Re I was very relieved xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Very fanciful and not without unpleasant inuendos in that M A O'C was Hitler's daughter or a member of his family or that Antony Price was a bastard, literally , not metaphoricaly. I wonder if this complies with the Forum's standard of " publication in public". A copy has been taken.

Tony Price ● 4959d

I was very relieved to hear that Marie Anne O'Connell wasn't Irish. Most of our community remember where they came from and are sympathetic to those in the present day going through the kind of challenges that they, their parents or their grandparents had to met.I have later found out that the O'Connells and the Cavanaghs go back a long way and came over to England together just after the war. They were poor construction workers and found it difficult to find places to stay. They came to Marie Anne Shnickelgruber's B&B on the Castlebar Road and were met by a 'No Blacks, No Irish' sign but in desperation they thought they would give it a try. She was not a woman of a sunny disposition and despite the fact the restrictions on her travelling near RAF Northolt had been recently lifted she was not sharing the festive mood of the country at that time. Luckily a 'Swiss' gentleman with a very heavy suitcase in transit to Paraguay was just checking out so she had a vacancy. She was suspicious of the young Irishmen's accents and as a leading member of the local Orange lodge she was very hostile to papists but they told her they were Cornishmen.Romance of a kind blossomed between Seamus O'Connell and Ms. Schnickelgruber and eventually they were married. It was not a happy time for him as he disliked the pasties and clotted cream teas his wife insisted on making him. He invited friends round for the occassional ceili but they have to be careful not to give the game away and sang songs like the Rocky Road to Dorset and Danny Foy. The couple drifted apart and it was something of a surprise when she fell pregnant and her husband's suspicion fell on Mr. Price the milkman. This was increased when young Antony was born with a distinctive hairy wart on his nose just like that of the dairy's employee.Seamus disappeared in the sixties never to be heard of again. When asked his wife told people that she had had him deported.

Paul Cavanagh ● 4959d

I couldn't agree more.It disgusts me the readiness with which some people reach for the rule book in order to suppress the free speech of others.If somebody doesn't agree with the views of a particular poster then either argue against them or ignore them, but do not seek to censor them.

Tony Colliver ● 4959d

So stuck for something constructive to say that you have to resort to abuse.....you have no right to make unsubstantiated derogatory personal remarks deriding me and my name..... I will be reporting this matter forthwith.....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4959d

ROFL!

Tony Colliver ● 4959d

It's bad and immoral to marginalise ethnic minorities by sneering at them or making overt racist remarks. Indeed criminal in some cases.Whenever that subject comes up you dive for cover or are rude. What you don't do is engage in a civilised fashion. You let the English down. And before you rush to attack this just think for a moment, if you replayed yourself on a film, as to what reasonable fair minded Englishmen might think of you. Let's see if you are big enough to give it a try.

George Knox ● 4959d

It's your waffling I was referring to....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4959d

Re these children is now above the national average xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx only in very few races, the others are far behind , hence why lots are on Benefits. Their religion does not help,nor the discrimination against females. But even if there is some advantage abilitywise, that does not justify the wiping out of the indigenous folk,for which see Southall as one local example,whites all but gone. Can't be right. I should imagine you would scream blue murder and racism from the roof tops if all whites moved back in and " eased out " the existing peoples there. As for learning English,no-one should be allowed into the country unless they have a good grasp thereof and must teach their children English before they get to school age. B J boasts 360 languages are spoken in Lodon,ie London has driven out more indigenous folk than any other world city. Bad, immoral.

Tony Price ● 4959d

'Definitely not in the real world.....much waffling with no substance.....'I'm pleased that you are starting to recognise the limitations of your arguments.

Andy Jones ● 4959d

Definitely not in the real world.....much waffling with no substance.....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4959d

Have to bring you back to facts I'm afraid.The cost of the NHS is rising principally because of the rising age of the population. Nobody who knows anything about the subject disputes this and your experience of spending a some time in an A&E department and not spotting many old people doesn't invalidate all the other evidence. It's a preposterous point to make.'Health tourism' is a recognised problem and measures have been put in place to counter it but the sums of money involved are not significant in the context of the overall NHS budget.Not sure what your point is as regards education. If you mean that too much money is spent on helping children with English as a second language this can't be right because the educational attainment of these children is now above the national average - they are therefore likely to be above average income earners and pay back many times the extra expenditure on helping them learn English.

Andy Jones ● 4959d

Unpleasant, inaccurate and ill-informed as the views of some people on this forum are, I sincerely hope that they are not suppressed because that would give them more credibility than they deserve. The best way to discredit people like this is to let them have their say.

Andy Jones ● 4959d

RE not use the Forum to threaten, harass, stalk, or abuse xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx agreed, I get stalked wholesale, as some of my posts say. There are sometimes veiled threats made to others and abuse to the person by the bucketful, something I oft say in a post. No need for any of it, quite agree.

Tony Price ● 4959d

Hope that administrators pick this up.Could be a lot more pleasant around here if they did and the racists and bigots, with respect, crawled back under their stones.

Nigel Brooks ● 4959d

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Jaz Brown ● 4959d

Not talking about Japan just deal with this country.When I see the A&E depts overflowing,there are very few elderly just hoards of younger people who don't appear to be "emergency cases". But while you are shifting the blame onto older people what about those immigrants who bring in elderly sick relatives who immediately become beneficiaries of all the NHS free services etc.... and what about all the schools and the disproportionate mix of pupil types making learning difficult for those who are held back whilst non English speakers extra help.... Take off your rose colored glasses .....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4960d

So it is the in-laws that are of immigrant stock not you. I can only assume that your rabid and irrational hostility to people from other countries has arisen because you only discovered this after your marriage and have been in a rage ever since.

Katherine Kieslowski ● 4960d

The NHS has problems at the moment because it is a service that is seeing constantly rising demand due to this country's ageing population. We currently do not train enough skilled personnel to staff the service so we have to import them from other countries. This applies across the skill range from cardiologists to physiotherapists. This means that the tax payers of countries in Eastern Europe, Asia and Africa have paid to train people and we get all the benefit.Fact: we couldn't properly staff the NHS without immigrants.As to the question of whether immigrants make a net positive contribution to the NHS i.e. do the contribution they make in taxes to health spending outweigh the cost of provision of the service , every economist will agree that they do. That is because immigrants tend to be younger, are more likely to be in paid employment even when you take into account the proportion who can't work because they are going through the asylum process and forbidden from doing so.If you want an example of what happens to an economy if they restrict immigration look at Japan which has stagnated for 15 years and faces an unpayable fiscal burden to care for their ageing population.Fact: Without immigration we would pay a higher rate of tax to maintain health service provision at current levels.Some people may not like people with darker skin than theirs and they are entitled to their own opinions but they are not entitled to their own facts.

Andy Jones ● 4960d

Agree with everything ....... They will infiltrate the government,the military and we have seen what they have done in the police force eg. Ali Desai. So many are from countries which are steeped in corruption which they continue to perpetrate here eg Jatinder Shah of the Univisa ( lives in Southall) just to name a few examples. They are still hanging on to Abu Hamsa etc - millions have been wasted on him - now his children are criminals just like him and we still support their ilk. This stupid country appeases these people and the future here is very scary ....God help us .....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4960d

Re there is no point in debating with these xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I like to get the record straight though, otherwise they may end up themselves believing what they say.?. Wait till Sharia Law is mooted, and that will bring home to some what the risks are with mass immigration. By 2030 apparently there will be enough of that faith who could vote in "their " government. There is already an Islamic Parliament of Britain in existence. People must be warned re the dangers ahead, and not too far ahead at that. When the Ealing Gazette comes out circa 19th Oct or the week thereafter , have a look at the schools content in this Borough and see where we will stand in a few years time. The B B C don't show the kids in London schools much now so as to keep the public unaware of our wipe-out.

Tony Price ● 4960d

Tony there is no point in debating with these shortsighted people..They clearly don't live in the real world and obviously go around wearing blinkers. They rile me almost as much as the aliens who are here being a burden on the country....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4960d

Re Tony, you are not the majority xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I am fully aware I am and could not be, but 80% are , and that 80% are against mass immigration and in particular, the effects thereof. And the Govt.supposedly propose doing something about it, yet to see anything concrete or effective. As I repeatedly say, a certain amount of diversity is good, but not the wiping out of whole areas of the indigenous people. That is IMMORAL and cannot be defended by any yardstick. Even some of my ethnic friends are getting fed up with it, they came to England because it was England, but whole swaythes now are not, London in particular but many other major cities not far behind. Read Migration Watch if you don't believe me.

Tony Price ● 4960d

Please do not speak for the majority of the British Isles. Tony, you are not the majority, you have your opinions, they are yours, not the majority of people. I know plenty of people who would disagree with you.

Jaz Brown ● 4960d

Re was my parents who xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx judging by your name Katherine, I would imagine they were from elsewhere in Europe, in which case their customs,lifestyle, religion etc would not be wildly different to ours. What irks the majority of the UK population is the mass immigration of people who are not only of totally different customs, lifestyle in all ways and religion and at variance with ours ( and yours ) and in such numbers as to change the landscape and environment of the indigenous peoples, hence the objection of 80% or so of the British population who are demanding now something be done about it.

Tony Price ● 4960d

Re O'Connell is not an English name xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx the name of an original inhabitant of the British Isles, even if Southern Irish.

Tony Price ● 4960d

You are totally ignorant - you cannot possibly know anything about my forebears or be in any position to cast aspersions on my name.... Maybe In your culture you keep your own name after marriage but in my culture, you adopt your husbands name so how can you. judge my heritage without knowing my name...idiot. Regarding your comments on immigrants, you obviously go around wearing blinkers. On the contrary they contribute hugely for the decline of the NHS. Go to the A&E dept. at Ealing hospital any evening and you will find in bursting to the seams full of people and judging by the ambiance the place seems more like a social club than a hospital for genuine emergency purposes. Get with the program......

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4960d

Marie Anne O'Connell is not an English name so at some point her forebears would have been immigrants to this country. Perhaps they were lazy and feckless which is why she finds it so hard to believe that immigrants are generally hard working and make such a positive contribution to the economy. By the same token my direct of experience of immigrants was my parents who would have dearly loved to have stayed in their native country and worked so hard when they came here it sent them to an early grave. They were not the exception amongst immigrants from across a wide number of nations who came to this part of the world. I see this story repeated today with people newly arrived to this country the only one prepared to take the hardest and less well paid jobs. The NHS for instance would collapse without them.Immigrants are not all hard-working saints and there are the 'O'Connells' among them who there own country will have been glad to see the back of but they are the exception.

Katherine Kieslowski ● 4960d

The fear and potential possibility is that the non-indigs are now here in such huge numbers that THEY will take over and own this country area by area till they all resemble Southall .... BEWARE ....... and take warning...

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4961d

Re to the indigenous folks who dont have hard work written xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx that is a tad unfair and not true, after all, who made this country great, the indigenous Brits. And who made London what is is ( was more like ) and I can see it going down hill, hope I am wrong but so many here now whose habits and behaviour is certainly not true British. Why do organisations like Trident have to exist, never did before the days of mass immigration, most of whom could not " integrate " if they wanted to. All we have is a multi fragmented country. Take your own neck of the woods for example, the beds in sheds scandal. Who brought that about and who turned a blind eye while it was going on.When non indigenous Brits take over ALL aspects of Local Govt, then watch out, and which will happen. Just look at the schools' content now, hardly any indigenous whites. We are being wiped out, and some bf's are in favour!.

Tony Price ● 4961d

Re you think 'owns' this country? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx you tell me!. I know what you are alluding to but maybe a little out of date?

Tony Price ● 4961d

Re will certainly let her know. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx as a matter of interest the No.1 Iraqi phoned me a couple of hours ago, now driving through Czechoslovakia in his VAN, which apparently is of 2010 manfacture, so for a person who has never worked since the 12 years in the UK, he seems to do remarkably well.In fact, I think he lives in a dream world. Heading for Turkey and on to Iraq! I don't know if I admire him or despair of him,which his family apparently do. As to the article/link, extremely long and I don't know what you expect me to comment upon, that Mossad have their tentacles all over the place is true, even in Iraq posing as Arabs blowing up places. The rest seems to relate to France. Both those religionists have a lot to answer for, one more than the other. As I say to my Muslim friends, hurry up and get westernised, as the majority of Jews have done. The ones I know don't disagree. Apart from one or two, they are of the more educated sort, and education dispels loads of old beliefs and habits.Judaism and Islam are basically the same religion, from the same source but one has long since abandoned the vile practices the other still enacts. Situation in Mali now is dreadful, amputations, stonings, all in the name of God, some God?

Tony Price ● 4961d

You seriously need to wake up to who is really running this country if you really are bothered, else you make an ass of yourself. Where is the bulk of the money coming from and where is it going? I'll let you do a bit of research first and then point you to the stats.Btw, the majority of your taxes go to the indigenous folks who dont have hard work written in their DNA I'm afraid.

Robert Paton ● 4961d

Belongs to those of us who have worked all our lives, never claimed benefits and sustained the progress and stability of this country....not to the hoards who come in their millions, do not want to integrate but just come to exploit this country's lax laws and benefits.....I object to my taxes being dished out to these scroungers who have contributed nothing to this country's economy or social structure......

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4961d

Take an alternative, but realist view, who do you think 'owns' this country?

Robert Paton ● 4961d

Tony - I will certainly let her know.In the mean time, what do you make of this:http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/

Robert Paton ● 4961d

Re Asian origin immigrants who were invited to the UK. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oh yeah, by whom may one ask, certainly not the white original inhabitants, who obviously didn't like the invasion as they all moved out, including friends of mine who lived in Masefield Ave.? in the 70's. A couple of years ago, Southall was down to 10% white, now probably less. Someone I knew who worked at Heathrow said they would land, get off the plane and ask him where the Benefits Office was. As I have said many times, a certain amount of diversity is a good thing, but mass immigration to my mind is grossly immoral as it takes away from the indigenous rightful inhabitants their envoronment, way of life and all that goes with it. West Ealing has been described by posters now as a dump, seedy. Have you not noticed the shops in Southall who had their merchandise sprawling out over the pavement ( in the Uxbridge Rd. ) have moved, many seemingly to West Ealing. Southall is on the move, a pincer movement with Shepherds Bush Market at one end and Southall/Hayes at the other. If you haven't been to S B M for some time, go and have a look. I am surprised it has not been disbanded on safety grounds. And most of London is going the same way, go to Wembley, hardly a white face, Perivale well on the way.

Tony Price ● 4961d

For you to say that 'immigration is a good thing' means you are living in la la land.Immigration has and still is the ruination of this country.you need to take your blinkers off and educate yourself.....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4961d

Re Claire is fine - note sure why you are bringing her up xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx so YOU do know her then. She made ONE post that was in response to one of mine, unpleasant but par for the course I suppose. She seemed very " interested " in my ethnic friends,in a ha ha ha way. You can tell her as she seems so interested that Chinese No 1 has been in touch,despite sadly he has moved away to East London, for me to help with translation for a property request he wants to make ( for a hairdressing salon in Central London, I admire his initiative) , No 1 Iraqi seems to have abandoned his mini cabbing as he phones me from Dresden where he is with a large Citroen van doing this that and everything else. He wants to leave London, fed up with it,too many immigrants he says!!. No 1 Pakistani e mails me every few days to enquire how I am and to thank me for the e mails I send him. So you can tell ha ha Claire , all is well on the ethnic front. As to your sneyd comment ( which proves you are a long standing poster ) I am not and never have been amember of the N F or B N P but I know Jewish friends who were, past tense as died of a broken heart . As my dear late father ( garage mechanic ) used to say, give a man enough rope and he will hang himself. Keep swinging boyo!. As for the Indians' mental capabilities, they and the Chinese are ahead of Eurpeans,well known and acknowledged fact.

Tony Price ● 4961d

Claire is fine - note sure why you are bringing her up.Ealing wont go like Southall. Why would it? Granted, Southall is not what it was like in the 70's, 80s and 90s. Its a real mish-mash now. In its prime, southall represented a close knit commumity which consisted of Asian origin immigrants who were invited to the UK. These were hard working people (note that their children consistently outperformed our indigenous British children when it came to exams and generally getting somewhere in life; Indians have disproportionately high numbers of doctors, lawers, accountants, CEOs etc) - and they fought off the likes of the NF (are you still a member?) - a true self-sustaining community. This would be the community to follow. Its gone a bit wobbly in that area now that welfare dependants have taken over.

Robert Paton ● 4962d

Re No abuse - just highlighting your oxymoronic rants. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx hi RT, can't keep a .... man down eh?. You stiil in favour of all of Ealing going like Southall?. What do you make of the beds/ sheds scandal?. And abuse by the bucketful. How do you get away with it , or do we know. How's Claire btw.

Tony Price ● 4962d

No abuse - just highlighting your oxymoronic rants. Sorry if its a little above your head. Lets make it a bit easier for you: immigration, overall, has been a good thing for this country - without it we would not have the same standing on the global economic stage. The key word for you to focus on before you sleep is "overall".

Robert Paton ● 4962d

Re You are a complete clown! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oh dear, more abuse and intensified, and I not aware I have posted personal abuse re anyone on these Forums, was taught t'is bad practice and verboten. Why are some people so obsessed with abusing others, shame they do not have something more worthwhile in their lives or can write about.

Tony Price ● 4962d

@ Tony Price:"Fancy posting re another person when you don't even know them"So I take it you know everyone on these forums - or at least the ones that you post about? You are a complete clown!

Robert Paton ● 4962d

Re Still, at least G K has an ally, fine pair. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I notice Paton's post always seem in answer to mine, I wonder if there is a connection with the Raspberry Blower of old Southall Town, could even be yet another doppleganger for same. Am I flattered I am stalked, not really, could possibly be if something of interest were posted but that seems a pious hope. Being a member of the working class, I don't raise my sights too high, I know my place!.

Tony Price ● 4962d

Re LMFAO!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx about all you can do, and another post purely made for personal abuse. Sad some people have nothing sensible to contribute, and I don't think they can improve with age. Never mind, takes all to make a world. Fancy posting re another person when you don't even know them, you would think commonsense would stop people from making themselves look stupid in public. Still, at least G K has an ally, fine pair.

Tony Price ● 4962d

Tonys been on the drinks by the sound of his last post. However, he is representative of the lower middle class trying to prove who knows what! He's so delusional that he thinks hes right wing - LMFAO!!!

Robert Paton ● 4962d

Re differentiate between a suggestion and a telling xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Propaganda is proaganda. I suggest you stay right out of it. Those were your actual words, most dictaorial and certainly stronger than a mere " suggestion ". Very dictatorial in fact, not nice. As for your posts, they are scattered all over the Forums and I only automatically read very few, those in threads I have partaken in. I certainly don't " follow " you nor would have any wish to do so. As you know full well, there are stalkers on these Forums. How's Claire btw, has she made any more ha ha ha posts other than just the one?. Such an asset.

Tony Price ● 4962d

If you have not seen racist remarks then try specsavers. If you can’t differentiate between a suggestion and a telling get yourself a dictionary. If you don’t like my views then don’t read them.

George Knox ● 4962d

Re community service for online racist comments xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx so, sounds like threat to Forum members to me, or are you just making a comment no-one is interested in. And I haven't seen racist remarks on the Forums, and I think you get around most of them, so no doubt you will highlight some. And your comment on another thread telling Rosa Popham she should stay well out of it. What right have you to TELL someone what they should or should not do. As I said elsewhere, I think you ascribe to yourself importance you don't have, or do you ?.

Tony Price ● 4962d

Re is that elsewhere I have told you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx have you, not that I can recall, you ascribe to yourself importance which I feel you don't have as I certainly do not hang on to your every word. And as to my fast track to bigotry allegation, you sound like our erstwhile PM, and we know how wrong he ws in most things, liar to boot. If you are alluding to my objection to mass immigration, I am in the good company of 80% of the population, various organisations and even Govt. Ministers. I would sooner have them as company. The rest of your post is just pure bile, personal attack, which should not be allowed on these Forums, but maybe you have a special " entree" ?. You keep up the good work and do lefties a load of damage in the eyes of the general public.

Tony Price ● 4962d

I apologise for my intemperate language but such 'people' rile me.

Nigel Brooks ● 4963d

BBC today reports that someone got 240 hours community service for online racist comments.

George Knox ● 4963d

MAoCs’ ignorant, inflammatory and malicious remarks are those of a person who has fast tracked herself into blatant racist bigotry which in my opinion is a criminal offence.

George Knox ● 4964d

Thirded.

Tony Colliver ● 4964d

Seconded Nigel.

Keith Iddon ● 4964d

What absolute racist, and I make no apologies, bollocks!Look at your corner shop, High Street Post Office, roadsweepers etc. etc. etc. All these jobs are done by hard-working immigrants. Jobs that the 'locals' were too lazy to get off the bums or lack the initiative to do. Or do I presume that you only frequent shops and use services solely managed by white people?I am no apologist and am as annoyed as anyone with mass immigration of benefit tourists into the UK but sweeping, racist, generalisations like yours are simply ignorant.

Nigel Brooks ● 4964d

"immigrants" and "hard working" do not sit well together in the same sentence!!

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4964d

Re to ban the page 3 mode xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxfrom your post one assumes you are defending the wearing of burqas in public. Care to explain why?TP’s comment above***************************Good example of how to jump to a conclusion without gathering further evidence before making the conclusion. No wonder you are on a fast track to bigotry.The evidence is that elsewhere I have told you that I do not support the wearing of the burqa. I repeat, I don’t support it at all. Hope you got that. It’s not my problem that your memory is defective or selective or that you need a trip to Specsavers.I see this thread is riddled with your infantile sneers at those who wear burqas. It’s the sort of language which would incite hatred in some, but I doubt you wish to acknowledge that. Pity you can’t deal with this issue in a civilised fashion.

George Knox ● 4968d

The idea of Burkhas being used as a stick to beat Muslims is ironic since they are absolute experts at beating non Muslims with far more lethal objects ....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4968d

Susan, you are so right, I too was disturbed when I read comments from some of the posters on this forum. So much so that I rarely go on here now. You will notice though that it is the same posters who make disturbing posts, and I know that I will get stick from them for just saying that. However as Mark Twain said 'Don't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and them beat you with experience.'

Jaz Brown ● 4968d

Re realise that prejudice is still alive and kicking xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx in some quarters that may well be but probably less than the prejudice against Christians around the world, especially in Muslim countries where Christians are being crucified, murdered, burnt, raped, pillaged etc, that's where the prejudice is alive and kicking. As for myself I have many Muslim friends of all walks of life,from the most humble to the most " exalted ", and with whom I am on very good terms and with whom I discuss matters of religious and lifestyle matters. I think without exception their views very much coincide with mine except naturally they lean towards their faith as a matter of " loyalty ". I suggest to them they should follow the example of Jews ,with whom/you share the same basic religion, and become westernised from living amongst westerners.

Tony Price ● 4968d

I have already posted an apology as I am new to the forum I mistakenly thought that the name on the forum home page was the last poster not the original poster so again I am sorry for that accusation.Secondly, when I referred to the people around me I meant that I must unknowingly be interacting with people who hold quite hostile views towards muslims as I presumed you are all Ealing residents. Thankfully, since the aftermath of 7/7 tragedy, I have not had to deal with open negativity; however reading some of the views this thread has thrown up has made me realise that prejudice is still alive and kicking

Suzan Issa ● 4968d

Re other more needy passengers, not myself! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx that is indeed most gracious of you. But I think you are mistaken re your allegation of my terminology of muslim arrogance in my first post, or any other for that matter. Please be more specific. As to where you have chosen to live you have made relevant by alluding to people around you are critical of and to you because of your religion etc. If that is the case,rather unusual I would have thought and not something an individual would ordinarily experience.

Tony Price ● 4968d

Sorry just realised that it wasn't you who started this thread. so it wasn't your original post. But you will find it in the first thread

Suzan Issa ● 4968d

I meant asking people to vacate their seats for other more needy passengers, not myself! re: "muslim arrogance" - YES someone has said that on here...YOU in your original post. And no, I live in South Ealing....not that, that is relevant.

Suzan Issa ● 4968d

Re sometimes they are even white; believe it or not!!!) zzzzzzzzz bit difficult Suzan, not many of us left around here now. You are elderly or disabled presumably in requiring able bodied persons to hand over their seat Re asking if something is down to 'muslim arrogance' has someone " said " that on here Re who look past people's religion and background. I wonder what the erstwhile people in Southall would say about that. Is that where you chose to settle?

Tony Price ● 4968d

Re to ban the page 3 mode xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx from your post one assumes you are defending the wearing of burqas in public. Care to explain why?

Tony Price ● 4968d

OK I wonder if you would feel the same need to come on here and discuss how I (A muslim in a headscarf) had to ask able bodied people to get up and hand over their seat - something i have to do regularly I'm afraid (sometimes they are even white; believe it or not!!!)I am no fan of the Burka and don't believe it has a place in Islam, however I will not condone it being used as yet another stick to beat muslims with. And anyone asking if something is down to 'muslim arrogance' is just inviting accusations of prejudice and bigotry! I am quite concerned that people in this forum, are people I live in the same area as, because I chose to settle in Ealing as I believed it was a rich, accepting multicultural area full of educated, well travelled people who look past people's religion and background.

Suzan Issa ● 4968d

Some people want to ban the page 3 mode of dress as well

George Knox ● 4968d

No..you should not have to just get used to it..this ugly,anti-social,un-necessary,dangerous,hideous mode of dress shoiuld be BANNED.....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4968d

That would be fine if it worked....truth is many who come here have no interest in integrating with society here.Instead,they just form their own communities,ignore our culture and customs and expect us-even demand that we accommodate the furtherence of their culture.They don't even bother to learn our language causing all kinds of problems and expence by having to provide interpreters and publications in umpteen languages..they send their kids to school with no abilty to communicate in English therefore our own kids are held back whilst teachers spend extra time with the non English speakers.They are now here in such huge numbers that they demand to be recognised for their culture,mode of dress (eg wearing of burkhas)etc..etc...and there is a real feeling of being 'taken over' by these non compliant sections of the population.The worst thing is that this country has bent over backwards to welcome them and they have just exploited our hospitality.Well now perhaps the powers that be have realised that these interlopers are here only to take advantage of our soft touch benefits system whilst having no intention of integrating....we don't need or cannot afford to continue to allow this influx....NO MORE IMMIGRANTS...

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4971d

Re gives me the giggles xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx be careful then when you see one with the black version, eye slit as usual but wearing glasses , I have to restrain myself when confronted with that, and with pebble type glasses it's a hoot. ( I have yet to see one wearing sunglasses! )

Tony Price ● 4971d

it works both ways, i wont stand up for any of "THEM" neither, it gives me the giggles to see their part faces lol

Walter Coady ● 4972d

.....and so started the gravy train which still goes on . Time to close the gates ....

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4973d

Re they have no place in This country... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and like a lot of people, the murderer of the policewoman in the jewellery robbery in Leeds? escaped out of the UK back to his own sub-saharan country using one. All this political correctness will backfire one day, as we are seeing primarily in Southall but spreading, with the beds in sheds scandal reducing The Queen of the Suburbs down to a national disgrace.

Tony Price ● 4973d

Re Those burkhas sure have lots of uses xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx you wait till you come across one of the blue ones which have a gauze all across the eye slit. All you see if you are lucky is the flickering of an eye inside. I really feel they should not be allowed in public. What say you Claire , after your one and only posting, spiffing as it was.

Tony Price ● 4973d

Just BAN THIS HIDEOUS mode of dress ... Too often thet are used to cover up scams..... Men using them to get into secure areas of airports, hiding stolen goods under the flowing skirts, not to mention the safety( or lack of) in hospitals, driving and scaring small children.....just get rid of them ......they have no place in This country...

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4973d

Those burkhas sure have lots of uses especially when in comes to duping people and pulling scams...what's new

Marie Anne OConnell ● 4973d

"There are areas of this board that make the Daily Mail look like Socialist Weekly."Oh Lord, so true! I am a lurker, i just like to pop in a see what's going on, anything interesting etc.But I am nearly always leaving with a deep and sad distate; so many prejudiced, xenophobic and deeply misguided people:(In the 21st Century, in the capital of one of the richest and enlightened countries- they still do not accept that this is the age where all nationalities mix, flux, come and go, contribute and equally take what they need- just like the rest of us. And who is this mysterious indigenous Brit? I tell you- he doesn't exists.

Joan Norfolk ● 4978d

Re How very 90's. Ha ha ha. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Hi Claire, where have you popped up from, another newbie so it seems who comes on just to make personal abuse. How very strange. You gonna stay around for a while or be gone into the mystic mists. But please do stay and give us the benefit of your wisdom, which I am sure will be most revealing. Your post was a real beaut. Very entertaining if a tad confusing.

Tony Price ● 4985d

Wow Tony Prince likes to show off about his friends, he's really down with the kids. How very 90's. Ha ha ha.

Claire McDonnell ● 4985d

Re not generational welfare dependants xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I would agree with you there Rob, no work no food is the best criteria. I feel sorry for miners for example when the mine shuts down and they are of advanced years but for the other lazy tikes, on yer bikes mateys. But we certainly don't foreigners, apart from those NL agreed to let in from the EU, to scrounge on our benefits, and loads of them do, in fact most of them do. There is the biggest concentration of persons from a certain sub-Saharan country in the UK than anywhere else other than their own country, I forget which way round it is but 80% are on Housing benefit and 60% on Welfare of other description, so they are a drain on this country. And the same applies to most other immigrants, the vast majority of whom come to London to park their backsides, witness the street scenes we now have. And as most indigenous Brits can't afford to live in London so likewise the immigrants can't support themselves here, so who does, WE do. So out you go mateys and relieve the housing shortage. If you can't support yourselves, why should we. And as that country is becoming safer now, they should all be sent back, get the National Debt down. Thanks for raising the issue, Rob.

Tony Price ● 4990d

Comical that you quote the torygraphy when at best you are The Sun class. I think we need more immigrants. To be competitive against the brics we need the horse power of real labour, not generational welfare dependants which characterises far too many of the indigenous.

Robert Paton ● 4990d

Re Too early to turn the taps of immigration off. Plenty of potential for new builds. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx THIS is the real solution Rob :- Telegraph. " New research has found that more than a fifth of council house tenants in England are living in homes worth more than the average privately-owned home. Photo: PABy Tim Ross, and John Bingham10:14PM BST 19 Aug 2012Councils are being urged to sell their most valuable houses and use the money to build hundreds of thousands of cheaper homes, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.It is hoped that the move could help revive the economy by creating thousands of construction jobs while cutting council-house waiting lists.Grant Shapps, the housing minister, said it was “blindingly obvious” that local authorities should seek to sell properties worth “millions” in order to use their resources “more efficiently”.His intervention was made as new research found that more than a fifth of council house tenants in England are living in homes worth more than the average privately-owned home in their areas.It follows the disclosure of a number of instances where houses valued at more than £1 million are let to social tenants while thousands of people are struggling to get on the property ladder " Free up all that dosh, move out the social tenants, and use the money to build new accomodation. 60% of social housing in Ealing goes to immigrants (even higher % in some other areas )so an operation could work wonders? Bad enough coming here and being given homes that indig Brits could have, without being given places to live in that the rest of us couldn't afford. Something grossly immoral there. It needs sorting Rob, needs sorting I say.

Tony Price ● 4990d

Re Too early to turn the taps of immigration off. Plenty of potential for new builds. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx again I think you are wrong Rob, see this :- "TelegraphAn influx of foreign investors is driving a resurgence in Britain’s buy-to-let market, holding house prices steady but threatening to push up rents and crowd out first-time buyers. " It's these foreigners who are causing the housing shortage, need to cut back on them, so it seems. Your area could become 90% white instead of the other way round. Just think of all them houses coming back on the market, sans sheds that is, et voila, housing crisis solved.

Tony Price ● 4990d

Re Plenty of potential for new builds. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I think you are wrong there Rob, see what is the real situation:- " TelegraphState-backed housebuilding drive would cause price crash, warns FathomA state-backed housebuilding boom would not deliver the sought-after economic recovery, a leading consultancy has warned, but cause prices to crash and tip Britain's banks back into crisis. " So you see Rob, try to solve one problem and create another, much more dangerous one. The best solution would be to start by sending back the 1 million illegal immigrants and then the others who are on Welfare Benefits. It's bad enough supporting " our own " without the rest of the world's dependants. If it is sanctuary they seek, go to the nearest country to their own, which certainly ain't this'un. Might be one case though if wee Eck gets his way but that is by no means a done deal yet.

Tony Price ● 4990d

Re glimpse of welfare town xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oh sure, bet they've been hammering that for all it's worth , and more. You hit the nail on the head there Rob, you're quite astute.

Tony Price ● 4990d

And get a glimpse of welfare town Hayes en route

Robert Paton ● 4990d

Re .....outskirts of London xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx all flights to the sub-continent will be over Southall so the passengers can get one last look at "the motherland ".

Tony Price ● 4990d

untouched green land .....outskirts of LondonIsn't that where the new runways are going to go/not going to go/are going to go?(delete depending on who is talking and spending our money at that particular time)

Bernadette Clover ● 4990d

Re Just asking. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx don't bother Bernadette. There are some on here who are just to wind people up, write a load of tripe mixed with more than a dash of racism. Reminds one of beams and motes?. Instead of enjoy, IGNORE !

Tony Price ● 4990d

Don't judge the population density by just one 607 bus. Ever been on a plane? Witness the acres of untouched green land begging for development as you fly over outskirts of London.

Robert Paton ● 4991d

Re the locals missed them so much, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx many still do Bernadette, and hold us in high esteem. 3 times ago when my main Pakistani friend was here he had brought over a friend from Pakistan to get private treatment for cancer ( and which apparently he told me 3 weeks ago, seems to have worked ) and who rented a flat in North Acton, to where I was invited. He had "staff ", one who cooked me an impromptu meal and who I asked what he thought of London and England. Very nice, he said, I am impressed. Why I asked, because here you obey the laws of the streets and the Police do their job properly. Turns out he is a policeman back in Pakistan.

Tony Price ● 4991d

re quite underpopulatedBut the bus was full? Hence why the seats were taken?Just asking.

Bernadette Clover ● 4991d

Re perhaps you can sponsor him and his family to immigrate here? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx he has strong connections here but he and his family are "quite happy" where they are, except fear of the Taliban. I am impressed with your concern.

Tony Price ● 4991d

The uk was quite underpopulated and needed people. It still is. Too early to turn the taps of immigration off. Plenty of potential for new builds. Indian and Chinese kids set the academic standard, so it's not as though it's a negative thing. Private schools have increasingly more ethnic minorities, so only a matter of time before we have more balanced leadership in this country.

Robert Paton ● 4991d

re: Brits were the invaders in India (including 'Pakistan')My Grandfather told me that when the Brits left, the locals missed them so much, they packed their suitcases and joined them.

Bernadette Clover ● 4991d

What a touching story...perhaps you can sponsor him and his family to immigrate here? Surely you'd want him to get out of the war torn country that he is in? I think we need more hard working immigrants in this country to kick start the economy...Do you call to wish him happy Eid?

Robert Paton ● 4991d

Re It was a maiden experience for ME! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx which means you don't get out and about very much Jim. Hope you are not seriously disabled in any way, cos I have been " bumping " into them wholesale and for ages. Surprised this was your first experience, especially bearing in mind you are in that part of London known as Little Pakistan. I tell you what is a sight for sore eyes is when one of them wears glasses outside the slit, real show stopper that is. Have you read they are thinking now of having only half a slit, one eye, cyclops like?. I read that recently, can't remember where or in which country although I think it may be Saudi Arabia? Let me prepare you for the shock of coming across one of the blue variety, where the slit is covered by a gauze, that is most scary, just seeing the hint of the eyes behind. You have no idea who they belong to. Could be anyone,and of any gender. Remember the Policewoman who got shot and killed in a jewellers in Leeds I think it was. Her killer escaped the country wearing one of those burqas. Please be wary Jim, don't go photographing one of them, might be your undoing.

Tony Price ● 4991d

Re It was a maiden experience for ME! xxxxxxxxxxxxx in other words Jim, you were bowled over. I bet they were surprised that you were taking photos of them before you had even spoken to them, most understanding of them, especially with " her " blatantly dealing with a kufar in public. Do you think thats the real reason why she hides her identity?.

Tony Price ● 4991d

I was next in the queue at this Hounslow Shop seen in the picture below. It was a maiden experience for ME!"Do you have a spare battery for this Sony Ericsson phone W981 I asked?" The helpful assistant replied in perfect English..and after our discussion I realised that she was a white UK lass who had joined the burka experience.What do you make of that? I left the shop a bit confused...but realised it's something I must get used to.

Jim Lawes ● 4991d

Re Brits were the invaders in India xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx hi RobIN, how's Southall. I was there 3 weeks ago and apart from one white family of 4 in the sidestreet where I parked, I was the only white person I saw all evening. However, the person who was my host, and who I met first approx 12 years ago, is VERY pro British, in fact when I saw him then, he was dressed like an English gentleman, Harris tweed jacket, corduroy trousers, brogue shoes and tweed cap. He asked me if I could help him, which I did my best but was unable to do what he needed but that was the beginning of a friendship which has lasted to this day. After a couple of years when he first went back to Pakistan, he still kept in touch, including for example phoning my mobile at Christmas times to wish me the season's greetings. We exchange e mails regularly and he calls me every time he comes to London, which he very much likes visiting. His family have a history of being educated here. I knew one of his daughters well, and met his wife when she came over. Shame Robin you don't get out more beyond Old Southall Toon and mix with more people, do you good, broaden your mind and outlook. Be a devil, give it a go!.

Tony Price ● 4991d

tony, are you having an American history X moment?'It was in your lifetime that the Brits were the invaders in India (including 'Pakistan')

Robert Paton ● 4991d

Re I could read the views of Muslim members xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I have many Muslim friends and indeed was invited once again to a dinner 3 weeks ago in a restaurant in Southall by a certain Pakistani friend, who arrived late so I had plenty of time to talk to his other guests. I can say with very few exceptions, all those I have ever spoken to do not share the views of Sharia etc but are quite westernised. One told me he does not follow the religion and his daughter, born here and now at University is allowed to do what she likes, within reason obviously and who said her daughter will in turn fall further away from the religion. My original Pakistani friend used to pray 5 times a day, probably still does, but in all other respects is the same as you and I. All those present at the dinner were educated business or professional persons, in other words, it all boils down to education. In the many e mails I send to Pakistan I pull no punches and am respected for it. Just had 2 responses back thanking me for my " revelations ", from a newspaper reporter there who a few years ago used me to correct the english in his proposed articles. I have been invited many times to Pakistan by my original Pakistani friend, and urged to do so by those at the dinner 3 weeks ago to accept his invitation and to observe the elections there.

Tony Price ● 4991d

Thank you Tony for adding your thoughts to the issue. It seemed to me that George with his post tries to to Impress readers with his language skills, rather than communicate with the members.I hope I could read the views of Muslim members who visit the forum and reviewed the messages.

Os A Whittle ● 4991d

Re deliberately trying to mislead the Forum readers. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx you must bear in mind Os, there are those who for some misguided reasons, like to trumpet all that is alien to this country and it's people and to criticise it's people if they mention anything that is even slightly critical of those of alien habits. What activates them is a mystery, most say it is unnatural to say the least. What you said in your original post was perfectly in order, truthful as it happened, so why anyone should try to twist it round raises questions.

Tony Price ● 4992d

Nothing inappropriate. You feign discomfort by pretending to confusion when a torch is shone into the meaning behind words. You chose to juxtapose two different thoughts in one paragraph – one containing a complaint and rightly so, bang alongside a second comment which has the potential to marginalise people wearing burqas, who we all know do that because they think their religion/culture requires them to do so.Had those poorly behaved women been white Brits, I wonder what second comment you might have introduced – if at all.For various reasons I do not support the wearing of burqas at all, and in some situations they should be banned outright.

George Knox ● 4992d

Mr George Knox please explain why you use the word,"PENULTIMATE". Conveying your opinion in Language that you clearly must agree is inappropriate.You are introducing Bombastic language to confuse the reader. I do agree, and accept that many young Asians are polite and charming . Does that mean an incident such as I describe did not Happen? The apparel worn, is not favoured by anyone, otherthan some Muslim ladies.When it is used in the way that it is sometimes observed, it is to emphasize their belonging to a religious group. It is the wearer who brings religion into the statement quite un-necessarily.NOT I. So I would thank you for not deliberately trying to mislead the Forum readers.

Os A Whittle ● 4992d

"And if you tell a person in a burqa that you are feeling so weak that you might fall accidentally on top of her, I would be very surprised if she would not move rapidly for fear of making unwanted physical contact with a strange man."A 6' 4", 20 stone, ex second-row (brick ****house was another term), ginger disabled man at that :-)

Nigel Brooks ● 4992d

The words in the Ops penultimate sentence asked a question in crystal clear English. He asked if it was arrogance perpetrated by someone with different racial/religious antecedents. In other words he initiated a question about race/religion. So naturally Ben asked for the motive in raising the question. He did not adopt a racist attitude but simply and fairly responded to the one already raised. That is the simple logic in the postings.What disappoints is that I more often get offered a seat by Asians and more often by Asian young women. Such a pity that the favour is not equally shared out by people of all ethnic backgrounds and genders.I totally agree with Nigel’s approach.And if you tell a person in a burqa that you are feeling so weak that you might fall accidentally on top of her, I would be very surprised if she would not move rapidly for fear of making unwanted physical contact with a strange man.

George Knox ● 4992d

Did you peek under their burkas to ascertain the 'young and healthy' bit?How did you intervene? Did you say anything?

Robert Paton ● 4992d

I think the point is that if you see a young, healthy woman taking up a priority space, you ask her to move; if she's covered head to foot in a burqa, then you can't tell her age or physical state. She does then seem to be taking advantage.

Susan Kelly ● 4992d

Re Or was it more important to tell us xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ok it is obvious where you are coming from but I would have thought the original poster made the point quite clearly and fairly. Why you should adopt a racist attitude is rather pathetic. Persons wearing burqas set out to hide their identity, something I do not think should be able to be done in public and certainly not when driving a car, which does happen. And it is NOT required by religion.

Tony Price ● 4992d

That mode of dress could be a problem checking through passport control I would imagine.Or when driving - how can the driver see and drive safely I wonder?I have seen some wearing the burks trying to disembark from a bus, they have to look down very carefully to avoid a mishap.Recently I noticed one such person cycling along, robes flowing - dangerously close to the wheels, also wearing the burka.Rather them than me I have to say but each to her own I guess.

Jean F Fernandez ● 4992d

It was not important only if you think of it as two women,but for some time these two women were thought of as Two old an elderly disabled individuals.Covered from head to heels and only their eyes were visible. They could have been anybody and perhaps you are right to defend even men under such cover. People would be tolerant as long it was not apparent who they were.Thank you for encouraging the belief to link it with Socialist thoughts on the forum.

Os A Whittle ● 4992d

Whether Burka wearing or not it would seem that good manners and common curtesy have gone out of the window when some people refuse to let a disabled person sit on on the seats designated for that purpose!My husband has had this problem many times when travelling on public transport. We have noticed it is often the younger generation who simply ignore someone standing who is obviously disabled. They look at their mobile phones, read a book, anything but offer the seat to an elderly or disabled person.Another thing that annoys is the children coming back from school who bag these seats meant for disabled and ignore all requests to move their little backsides off to let an elderly person sit down.What do they teach in school nowadays? In my dey we wouldn't wait to be asked!Another annoying thing especially on the bus, people who sit in the aisle seat, shopping bags on the window seat, or something leaving the seat empty. They can see people standing but never move across or offer the seat to the other passengers.Sorry! Rant over!

Jean F Fernandez ● 4992d

The latter I expect Ben.There are areas of this board that make the Daily Mail look like Socialist Weekly.

Nigel Brooks ● 4993d

Was it so important to tell this forum that two women didnt stand up for an elderly disabled person on a 607 bus? Or was it more important to tell us that these two women were wearing burkas?

Ben Owen ● 4993d

Ignorance has no colour or creed, it is just ignorance.I rarely use public transport as I am on crutches and cannot stand for any period, but if I find the disabled seats occupied by the 'healthy' I ask politely for the seat. 'Mumbles and looks' are ineffective, I have neved had a polite request decline