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Non-Halal food at night, is there anywhere?

A lot has been said about what is wrong, what has changed for the worse, what race is to blame etc for drink related social problems, on another thread on this forum.So here is my view as a white working class person, on what has changed for the worse. I was brought up in West Ealing. My early drinking years (say 1978 onwards) Were, if I wanted Courage beers The Royal (already dying) and the Red Lion, both Boston Road, or the Foresters or the Grosvenor. For a penny extra, there was Fullers in the Plough, Northfields Ave.But more than that, if you left half hour before kicking out time there was the Chip shop, where you could buy savaloy & chips to soak up the beer on the way home. Not any more! The chip shops all seem to have to close by 21:30-22:00. Leaving us with only the fried chicken or kebab shops, all of which are Halal!! Well a lot of us out here refuse to eat halal, so you now have people who've been on the beer all evening, often drunk with no way of soaking up that beer until we get home, this will cause some behaviour problems in itself.So why have the non halal options been taken from us?That is in itself a reverse form of racism, it's eat halal or go without (McDonalds I refuse to see as real food, and the KFC sells halal without saying so).This sort of thing breed hatred and resentment of the muslim community. They can get a hot meal at night, but not anyone who doesn't eat halal food. Is there anywhere left that is non-halal for the after pub people who want something hot to eat? If not why not?

Leslie Bailey ● 4999d44 Comments

Leslie,Do you actually have any reason to believe that there are specific laws or rules which say food outlets serving non-halal meat must close earlier than those which serve halal meat?“If it is racist to say "I'm white, C of E so where is the take away for my indigenous culture at night" then so be it, call me a racist.”I don’t think anybody could reasonably call you a racist for asking that question. But you said a few other things.You ask: “What is different to say, the former chip shop on the Boston Parade, and the Chicken Spot opposite Northfields station?”. And that’s a valid question. The answer might be that there’s a racist conspiracy against white-skinned chip eaters (I’m pretty sure Muslims eat chips made from potatoes slaughtered in much the same manner as non-Muslims), or it might be that the chip shop closed earlier because being in a much less busy area, it wasn’t economically sensible to open until later.You suggested that non-halal options have “been taken from us”. That suggests a deliberate process. I can’t imagine how you think this might have happened. Anybody is free to set up and run a business offering the options you would prefer. Given the voraciously capitalist society we live it, doesn’t the lack of such options within a specific area suggest either that there isn’t enough demand to justify running a business purely on that basis, or that nobody cares about the difference enough to make the effort? Why would you instead come to the conclusion that it is “reverse racism”?I don’t believe there is some kind of racist conspiracy to prevent white working class “indigenous” people from being able to eat the cheap, poor-quality meat of intensively farmed animals which are killed by non-halal methods, as opposed to the cheap, poor-quality meat of intensively farmed animals killed by halal methods. And quite frankly, for those who oppose halal and/or kosher meat being served in fast food outlets purely on the basis of animal welfare, there really isn’t much difference between the two. The method and moment of death is nothing compared to the mercifully brief lifetime of cruelty which are suffered by most animals which end up in fast food outlets (and also the refrigerated sections of high street supermarkets) regardless of how they were slaughtered.One could potentially argue the case for lamb, as lamb is generally much less intensively farmed, but there’s little pride to be felt in eating non-halal chicken which has been raised in the most disturbing, nightmarish intensive conditions. As somebody who has a weakness for fried chicken, it’s not really the method of slaughter that bothers me. It’s the way the animals live which is more important, and the animals which end up in those outlets are better off dead, by any method. If somebody would open an Organic Fried Chicken nearby, I’d be their best customer, and a lot fatter.You also seem to suggest that this apparent withdrawal of non-halal options being forced on the late evening drinking public (which it isn’t) could be the cause for the “behaviour problems” of “people who've been on the beer all evening, often drunk with no way of soaking up that beer until we get home”. This is a depressing thing to suggest. The behaviour problems of drunk people leaving the pub are the fault of those drunk people, not of local food outlets.

M. Duley ● 4998d

Let's get it right, I have no objection about muslims eating halal food, I've eaten it before, and kosher too.It is slaughtered in the UK quite legally.There was once a chip shop on the Boston Parade years ago, but they were forced to close at around nine or nine thirty after a few years by the council, Why them and not the curry house too? This took away their main trade, the pub leavers (even if that pub was a Harvester).If it is the council/government that forces most chip shops to close early why? What is different to say, the former chip shop on the Boston Parade, and the Chicken Spot opposite Northfields station?As for labelling food Halal or Kosher, you won't find a muslim who objects to halal slaughtered food being so labelled. Kosher is different, since the late 1930s it has been cheaper to sell 75% of kosher slaughtered animals to the non-Kosher market, than it was previously to pay a specialist to remove the non-kosher parts (veins etc) from the beast. Hence MP Gerald Kaughman led the campaign against the labelling of kosher/halal food in the commons. They would have to import kosher, rather than have what they now see as non kosher meat, labelled as slaughtered to Kosher tradition. So don't blame the muslims for the non labelling of religious slaughtered meat.My point is this: if it is a council/government rule to force these chippies to close early like the former one on the Boston Parade, then why? Why them and not take aways of predominantly Asian culture too?If it is racist to say "I'm white, C of E so where is the take away for my indigenous culture at night" then so be it, call me a racist. One chip shop opposite Ealing Broadway station doesn't do.

Leslie Bailey ● 4998d