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This thread is in danger of veering off-topic, so while I genuinely sympathise with those unable to get on the housing ladder (those who did were lucky to get their timing right), I think that demonising BTL landlords and squarely blaming them for the current housing crisis is oversimplifying a very complex matter, Ben.Average house prices have risen to levels unaffordable to most because of two factors: availability of cheap credit (greedy bank managers) which in turn enabled reckless house buyers to overstretch themselves financially by purchasing properties they simply could not afford (greedy bank customers). As far as the recent popularity of residential property as an asset class is concerned, this is directly related to the pensions crisis gathering pace over the past decade (a combination of greedy financial advisers and even more greedy shareholders).I do think you may have a genuine point about BTL contributing to the problem if you refer to heavyweight residential property investors with massive multi-property portfolios with enough clout to influence rent levels in an area, but certainly not small fish like us merely supplementing family income with a single property, paying our taxes, treating our tenants with respect and charging below market rates which is precisely why most stay with us for years, moving out usually only when relocating jobs.One other important factor to consider for young families when planning their finances is the cost of childcare, which has risen exponentially over the last few years. This means that unless the mother is fortunate enough to enjoy a higher tax band salary, anything below that would hardly be sufficient to cover childcare costs in London. In other words, she would rarely see her kids having to work full-time just for the pleasure of paying the babysitter.Therefore, if you look at this from my point of view, purchasing an additional property, albeit on a mortgage, and not blowing the entire budget on a flash house in a more expensive area of Ealing, should resolve the question of my wife's future pension, enable her to provide the best childcare possible to our children, establish a safety net should I find myself in-between jobs, while providing a valuable service to a section of society not interested in buying their own property at a particular point in their lives due to, for example, changeable nature of their employment.I hope the above explains in sufficient detail why, to a large degree, I disagree with you.

Tom Carroll ● 5006d

Martin Harris's post explains exactly how we got into the current housing crisis. Buy-to-let properties are part of the same housing stock that people can buy. But BTL landlords' have more dosh, see housing as an investment rather than a home, and can snap up a property quicker than the first - time buyer (FTB). Consequently, more people are forced to rent which has not only made the average age of the FTB now 38, but has also led to 1 in 5 families (yes families) who now live in a rented property in London. Another problem for those who live in rented property is that landlords push up the rents (rents have increased by 15% in the last twelve months) forcing people to ditch their home that they have come to love; move their children out of a school where they are settled; move further away from their job meaning they have to spend more of their disposable income on travelling; and, of course, living in an area that has been selected for them rather than living where they want to be. How insecure is that?What I saw last night on the tv news was scary and proves the point that I am making. 20 years ago (I think it was 20yrs ago) average salaries were £21k. Today average salaries are £29k. Average house prices have risen in the same period from £281k to £426k today simply because fewer and fewer people can afford to buy. (Whether it be 20 yrs ago or 10yrs ago really doesn't matter: the important thing is the figures are taken over the same period of time). Is this morally acceptable?By 2020 1 in 5 people in Britain will be renting. The cause of this is not just the lack of affordable housing being built, but the massive growth in BTL fuelled by people wanting to invest at the consequence of other people's misery.BTL just pushes up the prices of rents and house prices.  Councils should stop giving discounts to second - home owners. My house is my home. I do not see it as investment. It is about time that others saw housing in the same way.

Ben Owen ● 5006d