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Ken Livingstone.

It should always be remembered how when he was Mayor he was behind destroying 100 year old allotments inhabited mainly by the Turkish and ethnic community in East London so that a road could be built for the Olympics. He claimed they were the Green olympics with main backers Macdonalds and CoCola. He refused to come and see the allotments, and to help them. He is a hy[pocrite.

michael wale ● 5199d66 Comments

Re  His religion is irrelevant        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx apart from which Marx was not religious anyway

Tony Price ● 5156d

As it should be in politics, although I do wonder what 'fils Milliband' (as sons of a Marxist Jew) think of his latest faux-pas.

Nigel Brooks ● 5157d

He did not espouse him because he a Jew. He did it because he agreed with his politics. His religion is irrelevant.

Keith Iddon ● 5157d

Odd that because Marx was a Jew and Ken very strongly espoused Marxism.

George Knox ● 5157d

Now Livingstone has upset the Jewish community.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9158948/Ken-Livingstone-accused-of-rich-Jews-remark.htmlCould this man be any more divisive?How anyone could vote for him when he is so divisive beggars belief.

Nigel Brooks ● 5157d

rubbish, reread what I said.--------------------what you said was that London was 40% mulsim in 2007 and is probably more than 45% now. Your own figures do not bear that out (even with your own bad analysis and assumptions)I will leave people to draw their own conclusions from that

Jeremy Hanson ● 5157d

I have and try reading what I said.

George Knox ● 5158d

Re  assertion that you were incorrect.                  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      rubbish, reread what I said.

Tony Price ● 5158d

You quote 7.2M population for London and then make an assumption of 2M for Muslims in London.So according to my arithmetic that does not make Muslims the main inhabitants in London which you claimed last night.So you have confirmed my assertion that you were incorrect.It must be clear to you that such a misleading statement arouses questions - whether you like it or not.

George Knox ● 5158d

Re  Do you have an agenda against Muslims?          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  no, but I find it offensive for a politician with a dodgy history promising to make their religion and way of life  "the beacon of London "  to a large group of people, probably now the largest single group in the capital, and who after all are alien to this country and for whom their way of life and religion in many ways is very much in conflict with ours. I doubt he will try and make Islam the beacon of Toulouse?

Tony Price ● 5158d

Re  would ask you to provide your sources    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx the ones that also make for interesting reading are found  among these items:-      The Muslim population has grown from 1.65 million to 2.87 million since 2001, say researchers. What does this mean for liberal Britain?       Telegraph leader: The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life estimates that there are 2,869,000 Muslims in Britain, an increase of 74 per cent on its previous figure of 1,647,000, which was based on the 2001 census. No demographic statistics are reliable in an era of open borders, but such an expansion is unprecedented.The figure of 2.87 million was first published by Pew in a little-noticed press release last September, announcing a report on Muslim Networks and Movements in Western Europe. The Pew Centre, based in Washington DC, is one of the most respected demographic research bodies in the world; its methodology is scrupulous and its approach non-partisan. The new total for British Muslims means that, so far as this country as concerned, Pew's major 2009 report Mapping the Global Muslim Population is already spectacularly out of date. Here's a map showing the updated distribution of the Muslim population in Europe:        (That was as of 2009, so 3 years later the figure must be well over 3 million)    and :-          The Guardian, June 17, 2002, �British Muslims� series - A map of Muslim Britain  Muslim population 1.8 million (3% of total British population) The Muslim population of London � 1 million (total 7.2 million);      ( so by the fact  from roughly the same stating dates 2001 and 2002, the number of Muslims has more or less doubled, logically those in London would be in the order of 2 million. From our own experience in Ealing for example, the number of veiled or scarfed  females 10 years ago was next to none whereas now, very prominent )      And let's not forget, the above relate to KNOWN persons and there are supposedly 1 million illegals in the UK, most of whom would gravitate to London  for various reasons and of whom a good proportion would be Muslim, so maybe in reality we are dealing with well over 2 million in London?

Tony Price ● 5158d

“pander to Muslims, the main inhabitants of the capital by saying he will make Islam well known to every Londoner (note, not said to Christians, Jews , Hindus etc, but to the largest body in the capital, and which could well be regarded as RACIST!!.)”Main inhabitants? That is incorrect. Can you not count? Do you have an agenda against Muslims?

George Knox ● 5158d

Ken Livingstone is a disaster waiting to happen with his extremist views and past record.I will also vote for Boris.

Jean F Fernandez ● 5158d

I have an aversion to snipers who prefer to sit back and just ask and not work. Anyone can do that---------------------and anyone can make spurious statements that they don't need to support with evidence

Jeremy Hanson ● 5158d

mine I already have, yours I am not too fussed over in that I have an aversion to snipers who prefer to sit back and just ask and not work. Anyone can do that. And to all others, either they accept  facts or they don't. -----------------and I have provided a link to prove your 'fact' is a lie, you haven't provided anything to back up your statement. I have searched and can't find any web page to back up your opinion (NOT fact) that 40% of London was Muslim in 2007.Which will people accept? Or are you indeed the sniper.....

Jeremy Hanson ● 5158d

Re  yours, mine and anyone else        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    mine I already have, yours I am not too fussed over in that I have an aversion to snipers who prefer to sit back and just ask and not work. Anyone can do that. And to all others, either they accept  facts or they don't.

Tony Price ● 5158d

whose?-----------------yours, mine and anyone else who is reading and interested

Jeremy Hanson ● 5158d

And that figure is also not far off the one which I offered.So Tony I would ask you to provide your sources from which you draw conclusions when you talk about the impact of immigration, which appears to be one of your hot topics.

George Knox ● 5158d

Re  it would save a lot of time             xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx whose?

Tony Price ● 5158d

Google and  find out, then apologise----------------------from what I can see - the UK muslim population is *projected* to be 2.2 million, of which 38% live in London, making about 750,000. This would account for around 10% of the London populationhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527.htmlIf you can provide a source for your information, it would save a lot of time

Jeremy Hanson ● 5158d

Re  You bandy figures about like this which are wholly untrue)          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    Google and  find out, then apologise

Tony Price ● 5158d

It probably seems like 40% to him on the grounds that we seem to spend that amount of our time in society talking,reading or hearing about what amounts to probably 5% of the total population of Britain.I do wish we could return to the situation where religious faith was a private matter and that it did not define the way a person presents themselves to the world and the way in which the rest of us define them.

Keith Iddon ● 5158d

TP certainly needs to produce hard references. What he just said does not make sense at all as regards the numbers.

George Knox ● 5158d

how prescient I was, eh Jeremy?----------------------I can't see the original post you refer to there, but I would have thought it obvious to appeal toas many voters as possible in order to get elected.....................and in 2007  40% 0f London's population was Muslim--------------------------Could you tell me the source of this information? (This is why I like responding to you, Tony. You bandy figures about like this which are wholly untrue)

Jeremy Hanson ● 5158d

To me, I used to like Ken, but his bigoted attitude towards the Tram dissenters was appalling. The missleading polls showing support for the Tram where people as far as Wimbledon were polled but no one living along the Uxbridge Road show what a nasty person he was. I do not want him back and though I have tended to Vote Labour in most elections because of the character of the people involved, I voted last time for Boris. He comes across as a Buffoon and I would say has poor taste in girls he gets pregnant but has a fine analytical mind and is not prepared to be a good tory. Boris's faults should not affect his ability to do the Job, However Ken's faults are central to how he will do the Job. As a Christian I believe that a candidate should not pander to religious favouratism. In London we can not afford that. All Races and faiths need equal respect else we could end up with chaos. Ken will divide London. I will Vote for the Buffoon.

Peter Chadburn ● 5159d

Re  No doubt Ken will canvas and garner  great support in such locations      xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx how prescient I was, eh Jeremy?

Tony Price ● 5159d

Re    by 2012 easily 3 million mark,      xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  and in 2007  40% 0f London's population was Muslim, by natural increase over 5-6 years due to further mass immigration, migration to the capital and birthrate, of which 75% is apparently to persons from outside UK,  45% at least would now be the figure if not more, so I stand by my original figure of 1.5 million. And don't forget we are  talking about KNOWN persons, and how many unknown ones are there. Migration Watch reckons 1 million, most of whom would be in the capital for several reasons, but at least they won't be able to vote!. I say that but not too sure. Do those compiling the Voters Lists check if those registered at an address are "authorised "  entrants to the UK ?.

Tony Price ● 5159d

Re    on all his earnings if he's elected mayor."        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    any reason given why he hasn't up to now, and of course his promise  admits he hasn't been paying. The man is so desperate he will say anything, reduce fares by 7% ( as if anyone would increase them if not neccessary ), pander to Muslims, the main inhabitants of the capital by saying he will make Islam well known to every Londoner ( note, not said to Christians, Jews , Hindus etc, but to the  largest body in the capital, and which could well be  regarded as RACIST!!. ). Funny how those who scream racist to others are in reality THE racists themselves!. Lets hope voters see through him, today Boris is ahead, 49 to 44% I think. Paddick on 5% , who could well be the best Mayor but sadly a no hoper.

Tony Price ● 5159d

Any candidate who so blatantly campaigns along the lines of religion should be debarred. As a Christian I do not want a 'Christian only' candidate  but one who represents everyone equally. Good grief if there was anything designed to fuel division and racism Livingstone epitomises it with this statement.

Nigel Brooks ● 5159d

http://www.lbc.co.uk/ken-ill-pay-all-my-tax-if-im-elected-52505"Ken Livingstone has told LBC 97.3 that he'll pay income tax on all his earnings if he's elected mayor."So that alright then.

George Knox ● 5159d

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London#Ethnic_groupsThis refers to Muslim numbers and while not clear on the date, I think it fairly safe to assume mid last decade.Say around 8%+. So roughly 700,000 Muslims in London. That's quite a few people regardless of Ken's estimate.

George Knox ● 5159d

nothing better to do.in seriousness, it isn't a conscious thing. Maybe I just have more reason to respond to your postsso.. in a city of 7 million people, nearly half are muslim? Over a third, anyway

Jeremy Hanson ● 5159d

Re  that's the whole of the UK    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  not so Jeremy, 2010 was 2.8 million so  by 2012 easily 3 million mark, so my figures  stand up. Btw, why do you stalk me, every post I make you respond to immediately, at least on this thread. Flattering  but intriquing as well. Orders or member of governing body, or just nothing else better to do?.

Tony Price ● 5159d

He claims to be an atheist as well.He has proved over the years that he will pander to any minority groups who will vote for him.My brother in law in Sydney saw him give a talk a few years ago and he baldly said this in answer to a question from the floor.Newts are a good hobby for him because he is as slippery as one imo.

Keith Iddon ● 5159d

So he is pandering to the Muslim inhabitants of London, between 1.6  and 2 million-----------------------that's the whole of the UK.... I think London is approximately half that.

Jeremy Hanson ● 5159d

      Ken Livingstone: I will make London a beacon of Islam – Telegraph Blogs :- Extracts    Tuesday 20 March 2012 | Blog Feed | All feedsBlogs Home » News » Politics » Andrew GilliganAndrew GilliganI'm the Telegraph's London Editor. This is where I blog about London politics and particularly this year's London election. If you don't approve, other listings magazines are available... Look on the main Telegraph site for my day job, my work for our newspapers. Got a tip or a story? Email me at andrew.gilligan@telegraph.co.uk Ken Livingstone: I will make London a beacon of Islam By Andrew Gilligan Politics Last updated: March 19th, 2012469 Comments Comment on this article Here is the full version of a story which appears in the print edition of today's Daily Telegraph:Ken Livingstone has promised to turn London into a “beacon” for the words of the Prophet Mohammed in a sermon at one of the capital’s most controversial mosques.Mr Livingstone, Labour’s candidate for mayor of London, pledged to “educate the mass of Londoners” in Islam, saying:  “That will help to cement our city as a beacon that demonstrates the meaning of the words of the Prophet.” Mr Livingstone described Mohammed’s words in his last sermon as “an agenda for all humanity.”He praised the Prophet’s last sermon, telling his audience: “I want to spend the next four years making sure that every non-Muslim in London knows and understands [its] words and message.” He also promised to “make your life a bit easier financially.”Mr Livingstone was speaking at last Friday’s Jummah prayer at the North London Central Mosque, also known as Finsbury Park Mosque, formerly controlled by the terrorist recruiter Abu Hamza.Hamza was removed in 2003 but the mosque is now controlled by an Islamist organisation, the Muslim Association of Britain, which has been linked to the banned terror group, Hamas. A man who has acted as spokesman for the current leadership, Azzam Tamimi, is on record as supporting suicide bombings. One of the mosque’s current directors, Mohammed Sawalha, is described by the BBC as a former senior figure in Hamas who “is said to have masterminded much of Hamas’s political and military strategy” from his post in London.In 2009 Mr Sawalha also signed the Istanbul Declaration which calls for attacks against the allies of Israel, which include the UK. The British Government interpreted it as calling for attacks on British troops.In 2010, the Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, a Muslim moderate, resigned from the mosque’s board of trustees and reported it to the Charity Commission, accusing the mosque of forging his signature on key legal documents.Mr Livingstone has been dogged by allegations of links to Islamic fundamentalism. In 2010, in the London borough of Tower Hamlets, he campaigned against his own party’s candidate to back a controversial independent politician, Lutfur Rahman, sacked by Labour for his links to a Muslim extremist group, the Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE).During his mayoralty, Mr Livingstone’s London Development Agency channelled hundreds of thousands of pounds to the East London Mosque in Tower Hamlets, controlled by the IFE, even though senior LDA managers strongly opposed the grant. In return, IFE activists campaigned strongly for him at the 2008 mayoral elections, boasting that they "got out the vote" for Mr Livingstone and achieving dramatic swings to him in their east London heartland.Mr Livingstone also gave thousands of pounds of public money to the Muslim Welfare House, a charity closely associated with the Finsbury Park Mosque, which signed an open letter backing his re-election campaign in 2008.    End of extracts.            xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      So he is pandering to the Muslim inhabitants of London, between 1.6  and 2 million, enough to swing  the  overall vote  his way. NB, no mention of honour killings, women inferior to men, stoning to death , death for apostasy, husbands allowed to beat wives, death for homosexuals, and no doubt, equality for Sharia Courts and " justice ". I don't think London wants any more of this, thank you Ken. In fact, hopefully it may  rebound on him as it could put a lot of Muslims off voting for him, as the vote is secret and  the Muslims I know are more for Western ideals.

Tony Price ● 5159d

More skullduggery from Ken            xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx apart from saying he wouldn't have another job while being Mayor,  he not only possibly  did so but avoided paying tax by setting up a company into which to pay  his income  after having the gall to lambast " rich ba......" for avoiding tax, and now we get the cheap trick of offering to pay students' fees, which money must come from somewhere and which has to  be paid by London rate-payers. Usual Labour trick of bribing voters with more " benefits ". Let's hope voters will see through it but with London's voters changing, anything can happen. If  he does get in, up will go the rates. I can remember  when Labour put them up 66%, yes, sixty-six per cent in one year alone and  when last in office locally, again  by 27% in one jump. The only people who can afford Labour are those who don't pay taxes and are open to bribes and let others pay for them.

Tony Price ● 5178d

I didn't say they were incorrect, I said they were misleading... presented in a way to have a particular impact.

Jeremy Hanson ● 5180d

Re  *slightly* distorted (misleading) figures         xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  oh yea, I should take it up  with the Office of National Statistics then

Tony Price ● 5180d

Re  I have already answered the question        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    c'mon G K, who were you referring to when you said they had made reference to shoving Jews into gas chambers.

Tony Price ● 5181d

Re  I see I have already answered the question,             xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  you have not answered it at all, so do so please ie who were you referring to in having made a post re shoving Jews into gas chambers, a plain simple question

Tony Price ● 5181d

I see I have already answered the question, but you have not replied to mine.

George Knox ● 5181d

Re  Read your history books       xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  no no no, you  implied someone on this Forum had made a post  re shoving Jews into gas chambers, so come on, say who you were referring to and what when and where that person's post was. C'mon George, put your money where your allegations have been.

Tony Price ● 5181d

Read your history books

George Knox ● 5181d

Re  The last time that I know of any thing similar to his proposal is when you got shoved into a gas chamber if you were a quarter Jewish.       xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    we are still waiting George re your post of the above, ie to whom were you referring and where is the post concerned

Tony Price ● 5181d

Re  You, and no one else introduced the idea of deportation          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    maybe, maybe not but fact is if they are illegals, that is what should happen. But my question is WHo are you referring to as having made a post re shoving Jewish persons into gas chambers and to please produce that  post, whoever made it.     As to Soames' question , may I suggest you ask him as to why he asked it, and to quote his grandfather is not a good choice in this context as he was against immigration.    However, I think we are entitled to the answer to whom you were referring as having made a post/ suggestion re shoving Jews , 25% bloodline or other, into gas chambers.

Tony Price ● 5181d

You, and no one else introduced the idea of deportation in this thread but when challenged as to why or what the authority for this was, you admitted that you had no authority. So the underlying question is why did you introduce the subject of deportation at all in relation to British passport holders with parents from overseas unless you were implying that you support deportation for British citizens with a non British lineage?Why you quoted a question from the grandson of a great freedom fighter is beyond me. What proof do you have of what was behind Soames’ question or agenda?

George Knox ● 5181d

*slightly* distorted (misleading) figures, as 'white British' is the largest single group of mothers delivering babies in all but one NHS trust

Jeremy Hanson ● 5181d

Re  I know of any thing similar to his proposal        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    what proposal was this George?

Tony Price ● 5181d

Re               xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      no, have a good search but see:-    " Foreign Nationals: ChildbirthNicholas Soames: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what the (a) number and (b) proportion of births was where one or both parents were foreign-born in (i) London and (ii) each London borough within Greater London in the most recent year for which figures are available. [94680]Mr Hurd: I have been asked to reply on behalf of the Cabinet Office.The information requested falls within the responsibility of the UK Statistics Authority. I have asked the authority to reply.Letter from Stephen Penneck, dated February 2012: As Director General for the Office for National Statistics, I have been asked to reply to your recent question on what the (a) number and (b) proportion of births was where one or both parents were foreign-born in (i) London and (ii) each London Borough within Greater London in the most recent year for which figures are available (94680).Figures for live births where one or both parents are non-UK born have been compiled from birth registration data. The table below shows the number and proportion of live births in 2010 in the areas requested, according to registration data. Information on country of birth of parents is provided by the informant at registration.Number and proportion of live births in London, where one or both parents are non-UK born, 2010  Area of usual residence of mother  Number of births where one or both parents are foreign born  Proportion of births where one or both parents are foreign -born  London 86,111 64.7       Inner London 38,224 70.0 Camden 2,135 69.8 Hackney plus City of London 3,227 69.0 Hammersmith and Fulham 1,819 65.6 Haringey 3,242 72.8 Islington 1,757 59.5 Kensington and Chelsea 1,757 79.1 Lambeth 3,221 65.3 Lewisham 3,067 61.6 Newham 5,266 84.1 Southwark 3,498 68.2 Tower Hamlets 3,571 78.2 Wandsworth 3,179 57.3 Westminster 2,485 81.2       Outer London 47,887 61.0 20 Feb 2012 : Column 511W Barking and Dagenham 2,414 64.7 Barnet 3,559 64.2 Bexley 1,009 33.7 Brent 4,294 81.9 Bromley 1,355 33.3 Croydon 3,081 55.7 Ealing 4,526 77.2 Enfield 3,414 66.7 Greenwich 2,850 61.0 Harrow 2,640 75.4 Havering 687 24.4 Hillingdon 2,487 59.3 Hounslow 3,121 70.4 Kingston upon Thames 1,139 49.3 Merton 2,268 64.4 Redbridge 3,101 69.5 Richmond upon Thames 1,385 46.3 Sutton 1,066 39.9 Waltham Forest 3,491 72.4

Tony Price ● 5181d

The last time that I know of any thing similar to his proposal is when you got shoved into a gas chamber if you were a quarter Jewish.

George Knox ● 5181d

apparently 3 generations----------------------------I can't seem to find anything that would support that. Do you have a link?

Jeremy Hanson ● 5181d

Re  how far back does one need to go before someone is considered 'British'          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  apparently 3 generations, what the interference of the blessed Human Rights fiasco from Brussels has done but the situation I think used to be 3 generations or less could warrant deportation as not being British.

Tony Price ● 5181d

In his case the beginning of time.He trots out these incantations like a dawn chorus playing out a greek tragedy which you might find on the Brentford website.

George Knox ● 5181d

they may well be born here but the chances are their parents were'nt--------------------or THEIR parents...... or their parents' parents.... how far back does one need to go before someone is considered 'British'?

Jeremy Hanson ● 5181d

Re  Over 70% of the London population are UK born             xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  they may well be born here but the chances are their parents were'nt. Some Boroughs  have 87% children born of parents who are from overseas, Brent for example and Newham.

Tony Price ● 5181d

Ken pandered to the ethnics, who are by far the majority in London now-------------------No they aren't. Over 70% of the London population are UK born

Jeremy Hanson ● 5181d

The master of erudition strikes again ;-)

George Knox ● 5181d

Re  so hobson's choice but anyone but ken!!          xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      exactly, Boris is the lesser of 2 evils. Ken pandered to the ethnics, who are by far the majority in London now, so as to court their votes, as did Blair and Brown, not realising in the process they were slitting their own throats. Livingstone heavily subsided an organisation called BLINK via his side-kick Lee Jasper and which organisation campaigned several times  for the Parliamentary candidate lists for London to comprise solely of black  candidates. And which may well come about due to the underwhelming now of indigenous white population numbers. For which trend one has only to look at the Local Authorities, not to mention the self declared Sharia compliant Islamic Borough of Tower Hamlets. No doubt Ken will canvas and garner  great support in such locations. With the demise of Livingstone and Jasper, BLINK went blank.        As to Ken's tram debacle, I remember we in Ealing were supposed to have been  sent voting forms but not many residents were able to report having received said forms whereas residents in Richmond apparently did, asked to vote in favour of a tram  running through Ealing !. Bent as a corkscrew.

Tony Price ● 5181d

Doubtless he has a plausible explanation involving Boris, newts, ethnic minorities and congestion charging all explained in an annoying whine :-)

Nigel Brooks ● 5182d

Good to see Red Ken says one thing and does another:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/london-mayor-election/9105977/Ken-Livingstone-uses-loophole-to-save-50000-in-tax.html

Chris Martin ● 5182d

Gob-smackingly anti-car!

Philippa Bond ● 5193d

You can say that again

James Green ● 5193d

The magazine that was delivered from the Mayor's office was stunningly anti-car - not just anti-car.

Philippa Bond ● 5193d

Also I really found his dismissive attitude against the people who were against the Tram really got me. I was involved in the consultation and in reality if he had still been mayor we might have seen the Uxbridge Road being dug up for that barmy plan. His insulting attitude towards any opposition is not healthy. There is no listening to anyone. Whilst Boris may be a bit of a lecherous pratt at least he will listen and take on board others ideas. so hobson's choice but anyone but ken!!

Peter Chadburn ● 5199d

I remember His Redness being saying in an inr=terview how he was going to make sure that the transport system was sorted for all the visitors at the Olympics.He wasn't so comfortable when asked why his priority wasn't the people who live here all the time.He is an opportunist,a left wing Jeffrey Archer imo.

Keith Iddon ● 5199d