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Opinions differ - Yes indeed, there's informed opinions and uninformed ones - facts don't.Re trolleybuses vs trams, more pro-tram anti-trolleybus misinformation - based, I hope, on complete ignorance rather then dishonesty:-"Trolleybuses are not easy to put in (all that overhead cabling)" - what makes you imagine more difficult than 'all that overhead cabling' for trams??"and are not that reliable (pantographs tend to come off cables)" - incidences of trolley booms (not pantographs, that's what trams have) are pretty rare and quickly rectified from the driver's cab by remote control on modern trolleybuses, with no significant disruption to service or to other traffic."Also, they are not that powerful as the power cables have to have a relatively low voltage (hundreds rather than tens of thousands of volts like railways)" - so what voltage do you inagine trams run on? - I'll let you into a secret: it's exactly the same as for trolleybuses, typically 750 volts - fyfi tube trains and other conductor-rail (as opposed to overhead wire) electric trains run on even less, generally 600 - 630 volts."so as to avoid nasty accidents with washing out of windows!" - what on earth is all that about??"A tram would link the boroughs of west london together" - so would a trolleybus system without messing up north-south comunication across west london, unlike a street tramway which certainly would."and possibly provide a night-time freight capability along the Uxbridge Road if things become really bad in the coming energy crisis" - pure fantasy I'm afraid."It is not that expensive to put them undergound (cut and cover as used in a lot of the tube system) meaning that shopping centres in Southall, Ealing, West Ealing, Acton, Hayes, etc. could be pedestrianised with trams using underpasses and replacing buses" - not that expensive?? - got any spare change guv, let's get on with it tomorrow then."I understand that the 207 is the busiest bus route in Europe (and it shows)" - one of the busiest in London maybe."We need (and deserve) much better!" - yes indeed - a modern trolleybus system - much better than a street tramway in this situation - and with all the money saved by going for the much cheaper and very much less disruptive and more operationally flexible trolleybus option we can have a whole network of electrified routes, not just one route along one road.

Chris Veasey ● 5197d

What short memories some folk have - the scandal of Livingstone's determined and prolonged efforts to ram a wholy unsuitable, disruptive and hideously expensive and uneconomic street tramway down Uxbridge Road - and his public slandering of local people who objected as 'just my political opponents' should lead any thoughtful voter in  this sector of London to vote for anybody but Livingstone. God (or hopefully voters) forbid he gets back in and has another go at forcing that crackpot scheme through.As for "Not all Ealing residents were against the tram scheme. We are past peak oil and oil costs will only increase over the next twenty years to levels were public transport will become expensive. I think that we will rue the day when we turned our backs on an electric transport system (the TRAM) that would have tied West London together regardless of oil!" - you clearly have not the slightest real knowledge or understanding of what a street tramway through the succession of busy and constricted high streets that constitute Uxbridge Road east of the Brent and in central Southall would involve in terms of cost and years of disruption to build and an infinity of permanent disruption once opened - not to mention the sheer operational inflexbility of a rail-bound system whose vehicles would be trapped by every incident on the road that blocked the tracks.A modern electric trolleybus system (trams on rubber tyres and with steering, in case you don't know) culd be installet at a fraction of the cost, a fraction of the construction time and minimal disruption during construction and no disruption once up and running. That's a far more sensible, cost-effective and overall-effective way to achieve the benefits of electric traction for road-based public transport.And how do you imagine the Uxbrudge Road tramway would have 'tied West London together'?? - on the contrary it would have cut west London in two by impairing north-south travel and communication - not least by bus - even more than the inbuilt bias towards east-west traffic capacity does now.I aren't keen to waste endless hours, days, weeks of my valuable time and energy getting sucked into argument and aggro on this old topic yet again, but I guess may have to if such ignorance or (possibly?) wilful misinformation by the tram fanatics (and Livingstone fans) surfaces on this site again.

Chris Veasey ● 5197d