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From reading this thread it seems there is a real lack of understanding about what the rangers do actually provide for us.  From various events I've spent time with the rangers and they provide a really wide range of services.  In regards "not doing ANY maintenance or rubbish collection" I would have to ask what you classify all the nature conservation work in the borough as?  There are in the region of 60 sites (of the 170 green spaces) that are conservation sites that are managed and maintained by the ranger service with assistance from volunteer groups.  Not by contractors. The rangers do the meadow cutting, tree planting,  hedging, pond and reed bank management, pulling blockages and litter from the river Brent, just to name a few. They run volunteer days every Tuesday on both sides of the borough. Any doubts about this please go along and see for yourselves.  The rangers also deal with the removal of drug and drug paraphernalia from our parks.  Everyone with a bit of sense knows that after dark parks are a common spot for users.  Where do you think all those needles go?    In regards byelaws, they are freely available and they clearly state open fires of any kind are not permitted in public open spaces.  The same way dog fouling, flytipping, littering and use of unauthorised motor vehicles are not permitted. The BBQ one does seem over zealous but it is the usual scenario that a few spoilt it for all of us by scorching the ground and causing fires in bins.  You could argue this should be dealt with by the police but (bearing in mind this weeks news) there are a large number of violent criminals in our Borough who are far more deserving of the polices attention.  I would rather a (cheaper than a PCSO) park ranger dealt with these byelaws within parks than tie up the time of a police officer.  On the subject of what they do provide and in addition to nature conservation and byelaw enforcement mentioned the rangers are also responsible for checking all our public playgrounds, paths and fences and arranging repairs.  They monitor the millions of pounds worth of work the contractors carry out annually. Would anyone here have work carried out  in their house or garden and not check it was done?  They work with charities to help relocate homeless living in our parks.  They also attend the various ward forums and public meetings.  Bearing in mind the London Borough of Ealing has in the region of 170 sites stretching from Northolt to East Acton and the rangers cover 7 days a week (including everyday apart from the 25th over the festive period) it is not surprising few have seen them.  We have all seen there work though.  As other people have said earlier on they are a good bunch and if you have any queries or questions about what they do for us the public why not give them a call?         

b smith ● 5594d

Sorry chaps I thought we were talking parks here not roads.Anyway £170,000 has just been spent on the safety "upgrading" of Northfield Ave. This spending was approved without evidence being presented of the success of the speed cameras, the complete speed data survey and with no appraisal built in to measure the success of the upgrades over say a 12 month period. The accident evidence came with the suggestion that all accidents had happened in dry conditions where road surfaces were not a contributory factor. What I think Eric is talking about is the threatened remodelling of entrances to Lammas Park see Dean's Gardens. That put much of the area "out of use" for a year and actually reduced the proportion of park elements such as grass and trees to concrete, tarmac,  boulders and paving. We never saw any sketches, plans, elevations or final costs of these tinkerings. But we have to let that all go because those were times of plenty. Things is different now. "Hold and maintain" are the key elements in a recession and it may be possible that some of Boris's capital money should be refused when set aginst cuts in maintenance. Jo public will see the irony of "spend on the one hand and cut on the other" when applied to our parks. The only deviation from holding back on capital spend is to provide work creation schemes for the local unemployed. Not for a gravy train of external designers, contractors and consultants. So yes it is sensible to keep the rangers and cut staff further up the salary tree. More maintenance and less grand designs.

Arthur Breens ● 5594d

Speaking as a former Ranger for LB Ealing I can only say how saddened I am to hear this news. Many Rangers who are still employed by the council have been there since the inception of the Ranger service in the late 1990's, and it now appears that over 10 years of hard work (5 years of mine) is just going to be wasted. I fear that in a years time the impact of these cuts will be realised and residents in Ealing will be ashamed of their many wonderful parks and open spaces. I honestly don't think that many of Ealing's residents realise how fortunate they are to have such extensive and varied greenspace, which is why these proposed cuts to the ranger service cannot be allowed to happen.What makes this all worse though, is that these cuts are completely unnecessary. Ealing is, and has been for a number of years now, spending (or should that be wasting) the tax payer's money when it really doent need to be.Last year Ealing spent over £20 million on agency staff. This is crazy! Why not employ and train up permananet staff if possible, to help fill vital posts instead of bringing in these agency staff?Ealing also has a fondness for using expensive consultants in pretty much every department. No figures have been released yet- not surprising really as there is a cabinet meeting to vote on the cuts proposals on November 30th. I imagine though that it will be near to the £20 million spent on agency workers last year.As I understand it, all council services are expected to make 25% cuts. Cutting the Rangers down to 4 conservation rangers and 4 community officers is much more than a 25% cut is it not? The council is proposing that Ealing police can patrol the parks. Not sure how the police will feel about this though, especially as safer neighbourhood ward team numbers are also being cut back. Oh and so are Ealing's Envirocrime Officers.I would be interested to know how many management post are being proposed to be cut at Ealing? Not many I bet. How would they know which posts to get rid of then?Eugene - can I suggest that you perhaps speak to the Rangers service as they are more than happy (and usually very efficient) to answer any questions of concerns that members of the public may have. Best be quick though, as it will be extremely difficult to get hold of them soon!

Steven Byrne ● 5617d

Unfortunately I view the redundancy of the Park Rangers as a good thing for Ealing, not a bad thing. While it is never good to lose jobs, there is little or no role for the Park Rangers in Ealing in their present form. Politics have meant that a valuable role of "Park Keeper" has been supplanted by an environmentally-focused activist job description that does not fit the requirements of Ealing.For example, a friend of mine (with a bicycle) was stopped from picking up a not-very-large piece of broken fallen branch to take home for his living room fire on a piece of COMMON LAND by a ranger who suggested that the wood was to be left for beetles to breed! This is Political Correctness gone mad.The Park Rangers spend days with heavy equipment digging fallen tree trunks into the ground on Ealing Common for a beetle breedery, however, they will not stop cyclists who are illegally terrorising park users in places like Walpole Park. There are now no "No Cycling" notices left on our recreational spaces as the Park Rangers have removed them making many of our parks unsafe for small children, mothers with prams, and the elderly due to the inconsiderate encroachment by illegal cyclists. We have bye-laws to make the highly-densely-populated Ealing a safe place to live which our Park Rangers just ignore while following some other agenda of their.Another area where the Park Rangers have detracted from the qaulity of life in Ealing is their personal and petty vendetta against barbecues on ANY common land or park in Ealing. One would think that in this day-and-age they would understand that perhaps setting aside a section of the park as suitable for barbecues might be a good idea, or perhaps allowing barbecues so long as they are lifted off the ground so they do not damage grass as is allowed by other councils around the country! However, this is not the case and each summer brings a clutch of paper notices around Ealing saying: "No Barbecues"!To conlude, cutting the Park Rangers is not a "soft option", it is a necessary change to restore the pleasant and people-centric nature of Ealing as it once was with clean ponds in Walpole Park (something else the Park Rangers ignore) and recreation for Ealing's residents; not beetle breederies!

Eugene Wroblewsi ● 5618d

The key parks are:Acton ParkBrent Lodge and ChurchfieldsIslip Manor ParkNorthala FieldsPitshanger ParkRavenor ParkSouthall ParkWalpole ParkThe key nature conservation sites are:Brent River ParkHorsenden HillIslip Manor MeadowsNortholt Greenford Countryside ParkOther parks in Acton:Acton Green Common Gunnersbury Park English Heritage recognises Gunnersbury Park as one of the most important parks in the country. Gunnersbury is jointly run by Ealing and Hounslow councils.Mill Hill Gardens North Acton Playing Fields Southfields Recreation Ground Springfield Gardens Other parks in Ealing:Blondin Park and Nature Area Dean Gardens Drayton Green Ealing Common Fox Wood Gurnell Grove Hanger Hill Park Hanger Hill Wood Lammas Park Montpelier Park Longfield, Perivale East Meadow and Pitshanger Riverside Other parks in Greenford:Bitterns Field/Brentside Footpath/Mayfield/Marnham Field/Greenford IslandGreenford Birch WoodGreenford LagoonsGreenford Recreation GroundGrove FarmLitten Local Nature ReserveMarnham FieldsOldfield Recreation GroundPerivale Park and Meadows/ Ruislip Road East Conservation Area Other parks in Hanwell:Boles MeadowBrent MeadowConnolly DellCuckoo ParkElthorne ParkElthorne Waterside, Lower Well Meadow, Well MeadowFitzherbert WalkHanwell MeadowsKing George's PlaygroundOther parks in Northolt:Belvue, Northolt ManorDown WayFairview PlaygroundLimetree ParkMedlarRectory FieldsSmith's FarmYeading Brook MeadowsOther parks in Perivale:Paradise FieldsEaling Central Sports GroundOther parks in Southall:Cranleigh ParkCranleigh WoodGlade Lane Canalside ParkJubilee ParkKing George's Playing FieldLong WoodManor House GroundsNorwood GreenSouthall Recreation GroundSpike's Bridge ParkTentelow Wood and MeadowWarren FarmWolf Fields(Taken from the Ealing Council Website - if I have left anything out or duplicated I apologise)

Jane Salisbury ● 5623d

What do they do? (From the Ealing Council Website)The main role of rangers is to make sure parks and countryside sites are safe, enjoyable and welcoming places for people to visit, as well as good habitats for wildlife.  There are two ranger teams:East – based at Acton Park Lodge covering sites to the east of the River Brent in Hanwell, Ealing and ActonWest – based at Manor House Grounds, Southall covering sites to the west of the River Brent in Greenford, Perivale, Northolt and SouthallEach team has a manager and ten rangers.  Rangers are responsible for sites allocated by ward.  To find out which ward you live in, please go to find my nearest and enter your postcode.Rangers wear a distinctive purple, green and beige uniform.  They work shifts to provide a seven day service including weekends and evening daylight hours until 9pm in May, June, July and August.Patrolling Rangers patrol parks and countryside sites on a daily, weekly or monthly basis depending on the use of the site.  Whilst on patrol, they act as a point of contact for visitors and provide a staff presence within parks.They also monitor the condition of infrastructure, such as buildings in parks, grounds maintenance, fencing, footpaths, park furniture, graffiti, health and safety issues etc.  When problems are encountered, rangers will try to deal with them directly or report them to contractors to resolve as appropriate. Park rules and byelaw enforcement Rangers deal with incidents including illegal motorcycling, dog fouling, fly-tipping, littering, poaching, anti-social behaviour and illegal traveller encampments, calling on the assistance of the police if necessary. Playground inspections All play areas in parks are visually inspected every week for any damage, problems or health and safety issues.  Any defects to play equipment, surfacing, fencing or signage are reported for repair as necessary.  If you see any problems in any of our park playgrounds please contact your nearest ranger team.Nature conservation work Rangers manage the borough’s nature conservation areas helping to develop, maintain or enhance habitats for wildlife.  Work is carried out according to management plans written for sites which tie in with Ealing’s Biodiversity Action Plan. Practical work days regularly take place on Tuesdays (although there may be occasional weekend workdays) and tasks include woodland or meadow management, pond care, fencing or footpath work, hedge planting or tree planting. There is also a river team made up of three rangers who work up and down the River Brent, clearing rubbish and vegetation and undertaking conservation projects to benefit wildlife along the river. You can join the rangers if you have free time on a Tuesday; contact your local ranger team to find out more about volunteering.  It is a great opportunity to learn new skills, meet new friends, keep fit, enjoy the great outdoors and do something positive to help your local environment.Environmental education Rangers work with local schools and community groups such as cub scouts and brownie guides groups on a variety of educational activities by arrangement.  The most popular ranger-led sessions include activities designed to fit in with the national curriculum, such as minibeast hunts, nature trails, tree trails, studies of habitats and ecosystems.Rangers can also give advice to schools on improving their school grounds for children and wildlife.  They can work with other local community groups to plant trees and hedges, care for ponds and other activities.Guided walks, talks and events Rangers occasionally run guided walks, eg nature trails on various themes around parks and countryside sites.  They can also be booked by arrangement to give talks on projects taking place locally.  Rangers may also put on small-scale events at some parks or have an input into larger events run by the events team.

Jane Salisbury ● 5623d