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West Ealing Farmers' Market

This event has been taking place every Saturday for well over 10 years in Leeland Road. But Saturday 20 June will be the last market here for a while.Why? Ealing Council wants to make changes to Leeland Road. The biggest change seems to be building a cycling contra-flow system along the road. The market is to move to The Avenue, West Ealing starting Saturday 27 June. Exactly where in the Avenue is not clear. Neither is it clear where the farm produce supply vehicles will park up.To make matters even more complex, Thames Water is planning to dig up parts of The Avenue as from 6 July. On Saturday 11 July the junction between The Avenue and Drayton Green Road will be closed.No doubt cyclists will be pleased about this.

Eric Alan Leach ● 22d46 Comments

Doesn’t prove that at all. The majority of people want to drive, hence number of vehicles.The minority like to cycle, yet demand more without contributing.Not everyone can or wants to cycle & it’s always the motorists who are penalised

Peter Yale ● 4d

>All a vanity, pointless, money wasting, car hating exercise. (Peter Y.)You can skip the pedestrian red lights in West Ealing Broadway if you turn left into Leeland Terrace, follow the road round into Coldershaw Road and go fast enough to turn back into Uxbridge Road before the lights change green. You can only do this if you speed and many drivers do. The one-way system and speed bumps are purposely designed to stop all of this rat-running and speeding nonsense. If more people cycle on Leeland Terrace, as a result of the changes, then it perfectly proves that if you make roads safer you attract cycling.

Ben Owen ● 4d

All a vanity, pointless, money wasting, car hating exercise.Led by loudest shouts of cyclists minority & hypocrites

Peter Yale ● 4d

>but I can’t see it explains what’s going to happen to the farmers market once the cycle lane is in placeAh found it all.There was a consultation about all this, I remember responding to it.There's a LOT of work here, I see they're also doing the raised crossings on roads along Leeland Terrace at the moment too.https://www.ealing.gov.uk/downloads/download/8752/west_ealing_liveable_neighbourhoods_design_proposals

Paul James ● 4d

More anti car hypocrisy from PJ

Peter Yale ● 4d

>Clearly " The war on motorists" still has a long way to go.In this case not much further, all they have to do is to stick some flexible wands along the solid white line, sorted, as long as they are close enough together to make it hard for motor scooterists to get betwen them.As it is, you can get a warden on it, but unless there are they are there 24/7 there will _always_ be somebody new to ignore double yellow/white line/driving and parking on pavement laws.

Paul James ● 4d

Re.Bedford RoadClearly " The war on motorists" still has a long way to go.

David Burke ● 4d

Never traffic wardens when you need them. Too busy dishing out tickets at stop and shop bays.The problem is people Paul. Stupid people doing stupid things, not just in motor vehicles. You must know all about that.

Simon Hayes ● 4d

>It's high time there was some more traffic calming to benefit pedestrians and cyclists and hinder the more dangerous domination by motorists!Phillipa, I have no idea what you're talking about! ;)(this is Bedford Road, just across the way from Leeland Road)

Paul James ● 4d

Nonsense, cyclists have markings along most roads, a lot of doorways & indeed major cycle lanes at the expense of motorists, which completely balks up traffic. For example Chiswick High Rd.You say doesn’t impede drivers in any way, however along with other roads closed either by so called traffic calming, it adds up to a whole lot & less & less roads.Of course with constant worry of a penalty charge

Peter Yale ● 5d

There is no added benefit to cyclists in this design.  They can cycle both ways, whilst negotiating parking and through traffic, just as before.  The scheme is mostly a benefit to pedestrians (pavements extended/renewed and crossing tables added). So anyone who ever walks on this street or supports the farmers market stand to benefit and we are all pedestrians at some point (even if for some that just involves moving to and from a vehicle).Not being able to drive northbound here is hardly a big hindrance when the Broadway can be accessed by motorists via Leeland Terrace, just moments away and without physical effort. When you look at the plans and compare space allocated for pedestrians versus drivers you'll see that car infrastructure still dominates this space . No special space has been dedicated to cyclists.

Angela Klimowska ● 5d

There’s untold measures to help pedestrians & cyclists.The council & tfl are heavily biased in their anti car & money fleecing schemes

Peter Yale ● 5d

It's high time there was some more traffic calming to benefit pedestrians and cyclists and hinder the more dangerous domination by motorists!

Philippa Bond ● 5d

Because it hinders motorists & benefits cyclists

Peter Yale ● 5d

More accurately, the biggest changes and improvements stand to benefit pedestrians, local businesses and the Farmer’s Market: wider pavements,  renewed paving, additional crossing points, inset parking bays, loading bay,  greening and raised tables either ends. The road will be resurfaced and become one-way for motor vehicles.  There are zero plans for  any 'built' cycle lanes or  decent ‘cycle system’ here, rather some inexpensive painted signs to indicate cycles can use the road in both directions. Basically a minimal concession in order to conform to design standards that offers no protection and forms the least costly part of these changes.  Why try and frame this negatively as some kind of major cycle scheme?

Angela Klimowska ● 5d

Improvement, what the!!!Silly minority causing maximum chaos, then stamping their feet & crying , when  their sheer hypocrisy is pointed out to them. Tarts

Peter Yale ● 5d

>go away PaulGetting your last posts in before the government bans teenagers from social media? (With apologies to most teenagers who aren't puerile like this at all)

Paul James ● 5d

>I'd be happier if the relocation reason was 'public realm changes' Ah, you don't like the word "improvements" being used, I get it now.

Paul James ● 6d

Oh no, the big boys are being wicked to the village idiot again. Best leave him to fantasise about more things that he has never seen.

N V Brooks ● 6d

That's a very good point ! When is the market going to return to Leeland Road, I thought it was quite clear, go away Paul !!

Peter Tolhust ● 6d

>undemanded, unconsulted and unneccessary cycle biased schemesMore disinformation and opinion from yourself.

Paul James ● 6d

>Why doesn't the sign state when the market will return to Leeland Road?It sounds like you are suspicious that this temporary move was always intended to become permanent.If that's so why not just say it?

Paul James ● 6d

There seems to be excessive monies around for imposed, undemanded, unconsulted and unneccessary cycle biased schemes.The virgin cycle hoops at Northfield Station (where there is still no lift) is a good example. Virgin hoops because they have never been used.I read "Animal Farm" as a teenager but this feels the same a gradual movement away from the people and democratic principles.

Arthur Breens ● 6d

Signs are helpful.Why doesn't the sign state when the market will return to Leeland Road?I'd be happier if the relocation reason was 'public realm changes' or more specifically 'installing a cycle lane'.

Eric Alan Leach ● 6d

>KeithKeith?

Paul James ● 8d

So, loads of notices up at the Farmer's market last weekend, I just got another mail from it to say it's relocated for a bit.

Paul James ● 8d

Paul, Eric has done infinitely more for West Ealing than you could manage in a thousand lifetimes.Unfortunately the council prefers to listen to idiots like you instead of sensible and long standing residents. It’s exactly why West Ealing is such a shithole that community forums are filled with residents trying to get the council and/or the police to do something about the crime, antisocial behaviour and the other myriad issues in the area. Shoving a cycle lane in isn’t an improvement, although it might help you and your chums get out of there a bit faster.It’s rather telling that the council officer overseeing the regeneration lives in Lewisham. No real understanding of the area and its needs. A pattern all too often repeated.

Simon Hayes ● 21d

I did find this, but frustratingly it's not linked to anything.There were loads of improvements to west ealing consulted on and planned before covid hit, so it could be from before then even. Eirc LEach would be a good person to ask, just don't mention cycling or cyclists or you might not get a reasonable response.This looks very similar to what the gazette notice says though.https://www.ealing.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/21268/leeland_road.pdf

Paul James ● 21d

P.s 4) West Ealing is a shithole, as found before

Peter Yale ● 21d

1) it’s not an improvement 2) any abuse cyclists get is justified 3) your usual hypocrisy

Peter Yale ● 21d

It's also very telling that people that are constantly putting west ealing down are moaning about improvements such as this being made to it.

Paul James ● 21d

Doesn’t seem to be a map available anywhere. Perhaps the person responsible for uploading it got distracted by TikTok videos.As for this forum’s very own Mr Spock, Paul James, it seems his logic facility is warped. He knows ‘loads of people who own bikes’ and therefore must cycle a lot. Yet lots of people I know own bikes and don’t cycle at all.However, installing a very expensive cycle lane in Leeland will no doubt give a massive boost to cycling numbers. They might have to stop the market from returning as there won’t be any space for it….

Simon Hayes ● 21d

>Thanks for the link to the traffic order, but I can’t see it explains what’s going to happen to the farmers market once the cycle lane is in place, and which is what quite reasonably concerns Eric. I think it's pretty obvious if you think about it for more than two seconds what will happen to the farmers market when the cycle lane is there, exactly the same that happens to it today with there being two car lanes running through it.There is nothing Eric is reasonably concerened about here, his clear hatred of cycling and cyclists is totally unreasonable and part of the reason why he's dishing out this misinformation I suspect.>And there’s no link I can see to the map he and others refer to. Where do I go to find these? Anybody can sign up to emails from the farmer's market, it's how I know about the temporary move and where it's going to. Pretty sure the traders will let regulars know too, and heck, when the market is at the other place for a bit it will probably pick up some new and returning customers.>Has there been any publicity or consultation about the plans and their impact on the farmers market which has been such a huge success over the past 15 years or so.There's the traffic order which is the statutory consultation (it's up on lampposts around the area too), I've not seen anything else but I can't imagine this hasn't been done without consulting locals around the area and the market itself.

Paul James ● 21d

Thanks for the link to the traffic order, but I can’t see it explains what’s going to happen to the farmers market once the cycle lane is in place, and which is what quite reasonably concerns Eric. And there’s no link I can see to the map he and others refer to. Where do I go to find these? Has there been any publicity or consultation about the plans and their impact on the farmers market which has been such a huge success over the past 15 years or so.

Will French ● 21d

Most people I know own a car & drive.A few ( very few) cycle & just get on with it

Peter Yale ● 21d

>Paul,if you don't know many people who don't own a bike,you must not know many people.Keith, do you have a bike/ever ridden a bike, have loved ones and friends who do?

Paul James ● 21d

Paul,if you don't know many people who don't own a bike,you must not know many people.You are obviously preaching to the converted when you meet with your cyclist friends.On here,it's a different story.

Keith Iddon ● 21d

It will be of no benefit to drivers & doubtless cost them

Peter Yale ● 21d

Here's the traffic order for the changes on Leeland Road, it's being made one way only for motor vehicles, retaining two way for non motorised vehicles, but when the market is there that's moot as it's a no vehicle zone during that time.https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/5145766

Paul James ● 21d

>As for your statement 'pretty much everyone cycles' - just what planet are you living on?I don't know many people without a bike, loads and loads of kids have bikes, have you seen how many people are using lime/voi/forest bikes?Did you ever ride a bike Eric? You must have friends and loved ones that do?

Paul James ● 21d

Mr James,Sorry I failed to find the map. However The Avenue pavement is where the antiques market failed.As for your statement 'pretty much everyone cycles' - just what planet are you living on?

Eric Alan Leach ● 21d

Good to see that the village idiot has crawled out from under his stone and is polluting the forums again. The idiot may well be advised to look at the traffic mix data from Imperial which show a steady decline in this minority interest form of transport save in a very limited number of areas, but then again he doesn't respond well to being challenged with facts

N V Brooks ● 22d

The farmers market will survive. They may not enjoy the reckless cyclists careering along Leeland when it eventually returns there.Paul is incorrect to state that pretty much everyone cycles. It’s still a tiny minority of the population and always will be.

Simon Hayes ● 22d

Aw diddums a beastly anti cyclist comment. A heinous hate crime.And what of the greengrocers who trades there

Peter Yale ● 22d

Sounds great! Go to the market, have a pint. Happy days.

Dominik Klimowski ● 22d

>Exactly where in the Avenue is not clear.More mis/disinformation from Eric Leach and another hateful dig at cycling and people who cycle (Which is pretty much everybody right?)."During the works, the market will move to a temporary location on the wide pavement at The Avenue, W13 8PH (please see the map below for the exact market location). "On the map in the email the wide pavement is highlighted, it's just outside the Drayton pub where the antiques market used to be.

Paul James ● 22d