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Pavement cycling

I see that police in Chiswick High Road have been clamping down on pavement cycling, issuing fines and confiscating bikes. Hurrah!!!Can we please have the same in Greenford? This latest version of anti-social behaviour by louts with no consideration for other people is not just a nuisance to everybody but is dangerous for people with mobility problems, children, mums with buggies, etc. High time something was done about it.

Maria Isabel Cunha ● 5d33 Comments

You must have eaten mushrooms Ben & hallucinating.Your so called “quote” is a misquote.I said CYCLISTS, specifically the Lycra gang, not drivers.As for the Boston Rd incident, that was a bunch of scrotes, not your normal driver.Both your examples are ridiculous

Peter Yale ● 9h

Dominik, do please hold your breath all the way to work.

Simon Hayes ● 10h

> lot of cyclists need road education ( & penalty charges).Would you not say the same about drivers? Shall we start with the driver who tried to murder someone on Boston Road by ramming his car against a bloke to squeeze him onto a brick wall.  > I see plenty of drivers ignoring traffic lights, not stopping at zebra crossings, on their phones, wrong way down roads. No lights etc etc.Funny that, so do I!

Ben Owen ● 10h

A lot of cyclists need road education ( & penalty charges).I see plenty ignoring traffic lights, not stopping at zebra crossings.On their phones, wrong way down roads. No lights etc etc Any problems they encounter is entirely down to the cyclist

Peter Yale ● 11h

I would guess that if you asked people who regularly commute by bike, all of them would say they witness or experience near-misses or dangerous driving on a regular, if not daily basis.Being outside of a car makes one much more aware of how vulnerable a cyclist is, and how even small errors on the part of a motor vehicle driver (whether intentional or not) have major consequences.I often feel like I’m holding my breath all the way to work.

Dominik Klimowski ● 13h

I literally copied themI put them in quotes they are not my words, they were the words used in legal advice to police from the then secretary of state about fining people riding bikes on the pavemnt.I included a link to the article.I STRONGLY AGREE With this advice if that helps.So do you and everybody else here I suspect.

Paul James ● 20h

Firstly….. to the lobotomy case above - they were your words, I literally copied themAlso - you must be either the unluckiest or luckiest cyclist in London.Always, always, always around when serious driving incidents occur causing very close issues to serious harm or loss of life. Maybe these are happening all the time because drivers are total nutters; or…..maybe just maybe be they are actually fibs and aren’t happening??? Or know where my money is.If my money is bad then may I suggest you invest in a go-pro, a YouTube account and monetise it….. you’d make a bloody fortune with your near miss road chaos footage Peace out

Colin Goodman ● 1d

One suspects the preferred punishment Paul, Ben and their chums would like to see for these drivers would be death by stoning.

Simon Hayes ● 1d

"I did watch a series of drivers the other day mount a pavemnt and drive two wheels on it for about 100m with pedestrians having to scatter out the way, so not sure what the punishment is for that." (sic)Depending on which element of the Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980 is used to prosecute then it could mean a fine of up to £1000 (typically £1-200) and points. Easy to identify such law-breaking by the Vehicle Reegistration Mark.if a few of the flagrant abuses by e-Bike and e-Scooter riders were punished with fines, points and confiscation then perhaps the pavements would be safer for all users.

N V Brooks ● 1d

>those brutal e-bikes those brutal e-bikes are unlikley to be e-bikes, rather illegal electric motorbikes.The correct action for them, rather than fine the rider for being on the pavement is to confiscate the vehicle and crush it.I did watch a series of drivers the other day mount a pavemnt and drive two wheels on it for about 100m with pedestrians having to scatter out the way, so not sure what the punishment is for that.And also, legislate to make the delivery companies take some responsilibity for this.

Paul James ● 1d

Except, Ben, that the crackdown on pavement cycling is on Chiswick High Road, where there’s an extensive and very expensive cycle lane. No reason not to use it, other than being a thoughtless muppet. Just fancy that.

Simon Hayes ● 1d

Much as I dislike cycling on the pavement there is a huge difference in speed and anti-social behaviour between those brutal e-bikes and someone cycling on the pavement with their pedal bike.A good question to ask the pavement cyclist is this: "if you were a pedestrian what would you find safer? A person walking their bike on the pavement or cycling their bike on the pavement?" A lot of the time they accept the reasoning and dismount on their own accord. However, to manage your expectations the delivery e-bikes are likely not to care and carry on regardless. Finally, the fact is that if drivers weren't so idiotic and showed far more consideration to people who cycle, many more would find the roads less dangerous and cycle in the road.

Ben Owen ● 1d

Sorry, PCSO (not PSPS)https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b1d9eed915d3ed9062458/pcso-powers.pdf

Paul James ● 1d

>Even when n a thread highlighting cyclists being done for breaking the law he makes this anti social behaviour the problem of motorists:-Not my words Colin, the words of the then secetrary of state when the government brought in a fine for cycling on the pavement (along with PSPSs who were given the power to use it). It was the legal advice to police from the government about enforcing it.

Paul James ● 1d

The resident lycra stazi can’t help himself Even when n a thread highlighting cyclists being done for breaking the law he makes this anti social behaviour the problem of motorists:-“ cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic “Apologist bollox and deluded

Colin Goodman ● 4d

That’s funny coming from you Ben. Considering you never produce anything other your own opinions but present it as fact, every time. On the other hand the rest of us give you the stats and you deny them.What a muppet you are! Just like Ding Ding Dominik.

Simon Hayes ● 4d

Ding ding!

Dominik Klimowski ● 4d

>to make it seem that they have ‘facts’ to present, when in reality it’s just their opinion. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery!

Ben Owen ● 4d

I shouldn’t bother with Dominik, Peter. He’s been eating too many cheesy peas and has been hallucinating (again). As we all know, cyclists have to use percentages and exaggerate them to make it seem that they have ‘facts’ to present, when in reality it’s just their opinion. And usually worthless opinion at that.

Simon Hayes ● 4d

Those fractions want a complete lane to themselves.That’s what I mean by want, or rather insist.You see so many cars because the public like them

Peter Yale ● 4d

I would challenge your opinion that cyclists 'want and use as much of the road as cars'.If you were to step out onto any residential street right now, or in fact almost any road, you will see that already over 50% of roadspace is taken up by cars. And that is before anyone has got into them.Once we add cars with people driving them, there is now a tiny proportion of road used by cyclists. The space taken up by an individual on a bike is a fraction of the space used by an individual in a car.

Dominik Klimowski ● 4d

Wasn’t pretending anything. You always have issues with cars/motorists, every single post you slate drivers.My argument is cyclists want & use as much of the roads as cars & contribute nothing.They are not made to uphold laws of road & get fines or points.My only issue with you is your rank hypocrisy

Peter Yale ● 4d

>they should be made to abide by the laws of the road & punished , like other usersYou're saying this on a thread about police confiscating electric motorbikes and picking up people for inconsiderate pavement cycling....I have no issue with this, why are you pretending I do?

Paul James ● 4d

Adds more weight to the case for regulation & control of cyclists.Perfectly fair they should be made to abide by the laws of the road & punished , like other users

Peter Yale ● 4d

>or on illegally fast electric bikes.These people are motor cyclists...

Paul James ● 4d

I have witnessed cyclists colliding into each other, and even had to step in and break up a fight between two. I have also nearly been knocked over by a cyclist at least once. Nearly all of these have taken place on long stretches of shared pavement (the ones with a blue circle sign) and all have involved nutters cycling carelessly, or on illegally fast electric bikes.I am not a fan of shared pavements because I think they are the worst of both worlds. I feel sorry for children, for whom shared pavements can be helpful, as they are more confusing and dangerous than segregated pavements and cycle lanes.

Dominik Klimowski ● 4d

Paul being an irony free individual fails to note that Chiswick High Road has in fact got a very expensive dedicated cycle lane along its length. No excuse for cycling on the pavement there, unless certain people are scared of the Lycra lotus barging past them in the bike lane.

Simon Hayes ● 4d

Which many cyclists cycle down furiously & dangerously.Still, enforce that & all other infringement.

Peter Yale ● 4d

>It’s exactly right they clamp down on any bike on the pavement, There are many many places all over where cycling on the pavement is allowed Peter, look for the round blue signs with pedestrians and cyclists on them.For the record, I'd rather this WASN'T the case and we had proper protected cycle lanes on the main carriageway instead but understand these can't be everywhere.

Paul James ● 4d

It’s exactly right they clamp down on any bike on the pavement, wheel them.Also those with no lights at night, cycling wrong way down 1 way streets.Dumping bikes in I designated areas, or being an inch outside those areas.Of course if they had identifying plates, people could report them, or a camera could send a PCN in the post

Peter Yale ● 4d

> and confiscating bikesTo be clear, nobody is getting their bike confiscated for riding on the pavement, the bikes that are being confiscated are illegally modified e-bikes turned into motor vehicles, e.g. illegal motorbikes.A legal e-bike can only assist the rider in pedalling, they don't have throttles and can't assist the rider beyond 15.5mph. (some legal ebikes can have throttles, but they must be indivudally approved for use like motor vehicles).As for people riding bikes on pavements:“The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other pavement users."Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required."https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/support-for-police-discretion-when-responding-to-people-cycling-on-the-pavement

Paul James ● 4d

Decades ago you got pulled for riding on the pavement.Enter Lefty Liberal Woke Idiocy where everyone has "Rights!" and it suddenly became "allowed", like many things now.It's damn dangerous and needs to be stamped on, hard, especially electric bikes & scooters."Broken windows" policy, it WORKS.

Rosco White ● 4d

Hear hear, about time 😁👍

Peter Yale ● 5d