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Don’t be rude Dominik. Peter isn’t being silly.Anyway, here’s something for you to read, as you’ve clearly missed it first time round.What you don’t acknowledge Dominik is that there are plenty of obstacles to your utopian ideal, as outlined in this extract from a UCEM article published in December. Playing down the genuine problems the 15/20 minute city concept will create doesn’t make you a ‘grown up’ either.As you might recall from the LTN trial imposed on us in 2020 much of the proclaimed ‘benefits’ proved to be untrue. So why expect anyone to believe the new claims.‘The concept has also attracted fair criticism from planning professionals:Fuelling class divisionsMany fear that the implementation of the 15-minute city strategy will drive further inequality in cities and fuel class divisions, pricing out people with lower incomes from being able to live in and even access certain areas.Obstacles to implementationImplementing this urban planning model on a large scale – particularly in cities and towns that are already well established – requires significant coordination and oversight. It’s a process that is bound to encounter obstacles, from overhauling transportation planning and providing pedestrian-friendly infrastructure to regulatory barriers, equity and funding.Increase congestionDespite its aim to reduce traffic, one concern of the 15-minute city model is actually the impact it could have on congestion. Part of implementing this plan will require the transformation of existing transportation planning and routes, which can actually create more traffic and congestion outside of these areas if not handled appropriately.Mobility concerns for those with disabilitiesWhile this urban planning concept might improve accessibility for some, there are concerns that it could actually exacerbate difficulty for others, particularly people with disabilities.As author Anna Zivarts commented in an article for Bloomberg:‘Focusing on this 15-minute window of “easy time” puts us into the mindset of prioritising efficiency, which fits conveniently into a framework that values speed over access.’Many argue that the concept of a 15-minute journey is relative, and for those with disabilities, this planning framework fails to cater to them and will actually make accessing facilities for them even more difficult.Overwhelming of essential services and facilitiesAnother potential drawback of this concept is its impact on facilities and services. If residents are conditioned to travel to amenities within a 15-minute walk, ride or bus journey, healthcare services can eventually become overrun in areas with higher population density – particularly during seasonal illness and in situations like the COVID pandemic.’

Simon Hayes ● 89d

It's not the gospel according to me Peter, don't be silly. I've provided two links where people who visit this forum can read all the information. I didn't write it.My personal advice is simply not to listen to conspiracy theories. They are mostly around the false premise that we won't be able to leave our borough, or travel outside the 20-minute 'zone'. (Or that there even is a 'zone'). This is a misunderstanding at best, but a bizarre one nevertheless.I have provided quotes from local social media groups, and other media, below, seeing as you asked so nicely:‘The next step in the plan was to stop cars leaving the 20 min towns’‘They don't want you leaving the borough again it's a no from me’“An international socialist concept that will cost us our personal freedom”‘Neighbourhoods will son be separated by a barbed wire fence. Anyone who wants to leave their zone requires a QR code/Covid passport and a face recognition scan’‘Creepy local authority bureaucrats would like to see your entire existence boiled down to the duration of a quarter of an hour.’‘The latest stage in the ‘15-minute city’ agenda is to place electronic gates on key roads in and out of the city, confining residents to their own neighbourhoods.’‘The climate change lockdowns are coming.’‘You will have to pay to travel outside more than a certain number of times’.If you don't want to read the information via the links I provide, that's absolutely fine - toatally up to you, but I'm sure many people will be interested to know the details.All the best. D

Dominik Klimowski ● 89d

What you don’t acknowledge Dominik is that there are plenty of obstacles to your utopian ideal, as outlined in this extract from a UCEM article published in December. Playing down the genuine problems the 15/20 minute city concept will create doesn’t make you a ‘grown up’ either.As you might recall from the LTN trial imposed on us in 2020 much of the proclaimed ‘benefits’ proved to be untrue. So why expect anyone to believe the new claims.‘The concept has also attracted fair criticism from planning professionals:Fuelling class divisionsMany fear that the implementation of the 15-minute city strategy will drive further inequality in cities and fuel class divisions, pricing out people with lower incomes from being able to live in and even access certain areas.Obstacles to implementationImplementing this urban planning model on a large scale – particularly in cities and towns that are already well established – requires significant coordination and oversight. It’s a process that is bound to encounter obstacles, from overhauling transportation planning and providing pedestrian-friendly infrastructure to regulatory barriers, equity and funding.Increase congestionDespite its aim to reduce traffic, one concern of the 15-minute city model is actually the impact it could have on congestion. Part of implementing this plan will require the transformation of existing transportation planning and routes, which can actually create more traffic and congestion outside of these areas if not handled appropriately.Mobility concerns for those with disabilitiesWhile this urban planning concept might improve accessibility for some, there are concerns that it could actually exacerbate difficulty for others, particularly people with disabilities.As author Anna Zivarts commented in an article for Bloomberg:‘Focusing on this 15-minute window of “easy time” puts us into the mindset of prioritising efficiency, which fits conveniently into a framework that values speed over access.’Many argue that the concept of a 15-minute journey is relative, and for those with disabilities, this planning framework fails to cater to them and will actually make accessing facilities for them even more difficult.Overwhelming of essential services and facilitiesAnother potential drawback of this concept is its impact on facilities and services. If residents are conditioned to travel to amenities within a 15-minute walk, ride or bus journey, healthcare services can eventually become overrun in areas with higher population density – particularly during seasonal illness and in situations like the COVID pandemic.’

Simon Hayes ● 89d

Nigel, it takes a special type of confidence to be so sure of yourself in a forum where no posts ever get deleted.I have pasted your comment verbatim from that thread below so that you are able to see for yourself.I’m hoping you will see that you’ve made a mistake. I did ask for help with finding the information from you regarding the 20-minute neighbourhoods in France, as I was genuinely interested in what you were referring to, having not previously heard of it. And if I were to counter someone’s argument and they asked me where I got my information, I would see it as completely normal to provide them with a link or two. In fact, I’ve done so on various posts in this forum.There have been times, Nigel, when you and I have managed to get the beginnings of some sort of civilised conversation going, even occasionally agreeing on things.Sadly, when your friends are in the thread you prefer to join them in childish namecalling and denial. I’m not flouncing. I simply don’t tolerate being insulted or called names. Normal adults don’t behave like that. Would you speak to me like that if we met face to face and had a difference of opinion? I don’t think so. This forum could welcome some nuance and looking at things a little differently. And if there are disagreements, then let’s discuss them maturely. Just be yourself Nigel. Don’t get swept away with the aggressive behaviour of some of the other posters. Your original post:Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:15 minute cities Posted by: N V Brooks Date/Time: 29/01/25 12:56:00 ‘I have tried to accommodate you but Dominic you are a classic case of a total a******. You asked me where I got the data I told you to Google it as there are multiple sources listed. Do the bloody footwork yourself man good grief. I am so pleased that I don't live on Leighton Road if you typify the neighbours that's normal people have to endure’.

Dominik Klimowski ● 90d