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I left Grosvenor Road in 1966, emigrating to Canada at 21years old.I now wonder what became of the White Hart Pub that was just across the Uxbridge Road, and the Wilkinsons that had a greengrocer stall there;and the rest of the Wilkinsons who had stalls at the Hole in the Wall ( which I believe was 'just around the corner' close to Sainsbury's ) and Stalls near Lido Rec/Park; most of whom lived in Shirley Gardens. One I remember well would have been Gloria Wilkinson, who would be a few years younger than I. We never dated, she must have intuitively known I was no catch.I remember reading when this site was Lammas something or the other that the Grosvenor Pub had changed hands and there was something back then on the Ealing Jazz Club that had the Rolling Stones playing Saturday night gigs, but got banned for causing fights  before I went there. I was there when Manfred Mann was the Saturday Night band. They had released one record I believe it was called "I'm Cock a Hoop" or something like it. I was not one for the girls I only really dated 2 girls and of those 2, I would like any information on Jacqueline Wiseman who in 1963 was 14 living on Oaklands Road with her parents and older sister and attending St. Josephs Catholic Grammar School for Girls ( which has also disappeared). The school was run by Nuns some of whom Jacqueline did not get along with and proudly got detention from them for her misbehaviour. Any info on any of the above would be appreciated.

Norman Ronald Mills ● 7411d28 Comments

thankyou i have sent a message on that site

Lisa Smith ● 2557d

Lisa Ron, is known as wilkinsonron5on the Francis Frith site.

Nicholas Beard ● 2565d

I went to school with John Wilkinson (Bordeston). I put a post on the Francis Frith site under Bordeston School. Nothing forgot about it. Then one day a nice message from Ron Wilkinson. He is no longer in touch with John whom I was enquiring about. A really informative note though. I remember John sat to one side of me in Mr Mitchells class. May have been 3b. Try the site. If anyone replies you get an e mail saying someone has put a message in your box. Or they can leave a note under your message. Remember Francis Frith. (By the way Francis was a Victorian photograher. If you have any query leave a message on Francis Frith and I WILL reply.

Nicholas Beard ● 2565d

hi mark thankyou. this is the original posting........ ive been writing on this forum over the years to see if i can find a Danny or johnny Wilkinson  who would be about 74, as ive been researching my family history for years and hes the missing bit of the puzzle never get very far i did speak to an old aunt who spoke to him briefly a few years back and he said he was moving to Northampton but it could of been any name like that. He was born around 1947 mother was Maud Wilkinson and i think his nickname was Chainey or similar he might of been in the fruit and veg trade, the hole in the wall and the halfway house were places that have been mentioned. The wilkinsons were such a big family he must be somewhere. Thankyou for reading this ,it was a long chance . but you never know one day i might get lucky.  Thankyou for listening......... i will try my luck on the brentford forum.

Lisa Smith ● 2565d

Lisa,I think that you may be posting on the wrong Forum, I think you might need to post on the Brentford Forum, also, I would suggest a visit to the Admiral Lord Nelson pub (rather a classy traditional Fullers pub) in Brentford (just over the Ealing border) where I think on a Friday or Saturday night at the bar you would get some leads on the Wilkinson families current presence in Ealing/Brentford

Mark Julian Raymond ● 2576d

hi norman i think i messaged you a while back as i was looking for someone in connection with the Wilkinsons and here i am again looking if you can help, can you reply to this thankyou thankyou

Lisa Smith ● 2578d

hi Linda, ive been writing on this forum over the years to see if i can find a Danny or johnny Wilkinson  who would be about 74, as ive been researching my family history for years and hes the missing bit of the puzzle never get very far i did speak to an old aunt who spoke to him briefly a few years back and he said he was moving to Northampton but it could of been any name like that. He was born around 1947 mother was Maud Wilkinson and i think his nickname was Chainey or similar he might of been in the fruit and veg trade, the hole in the wall and the halfway house were places that have been mentioned. The wilkinsons were such a big family he must be somewhere. Thankyou for reading this ,it was a long chance . but you never know one day i might get lucky.  Thankyou for listening

Lisa Smith ● 2580d

I think the Hole in the Wall and most of the barrows were run by the Puddle family. They still have the barrow in Leeland Rd West Ealing and one opposite M&S at Ealing Broadway as well as the greengrocer's on St John's Parade opposite St John's Church in Mattock Lane. Probably best to ask George Puddle who runs the greengrocer's in St John's Parade as I'm not sure if the family members are always working on the two barrows.

David Highton ● 2944d

hi are you still writing about the wilkinsons on here as its been a while since messages were written if any any one is still talking about them please contact me

Lisa Smith ● 2944d

hi im looking for  a daniel abt 70 now his mum was maud wilkinson but i think that was her maiden name,i think this is the family your talking abt as she was connected to the hole in the wall, if you have any information please get back to me

Lisa Smith ● 2946d

Hi Lisa,You we're right o say Maude was the daughter of Bill Wilkinson of the hole in the wall and she had nine sisters and one brother.Unfortunately Lisa Maude passed away several years ago at a very young age around  1980 I think.She was one of the best and has been sadly missed.Her husband died a few years later and sadly Her only daughter died also veryyoung (46)of breast cancer,she also was a lovely person.My own Wilkinson family lived on the Uxbridge Rd close to Shirley gds. My father was second eldest of 21 children.

Ronald wilkinson ● 3672d

Hi Norman, My youngest daughter brought your story to my attention and perhaps I can update some things for you. I lived at number 37 Grosvenor Rd in between the greengrocers and the paper shop.you probably remember my sister Brenda and my brother Ken, both of which are older than me.The Wilkinson family was very large and my father was second eldest of 21!. they lived at 25 Uxbridge Rd and there cousins lived in Shirley gds to which there were ten children! Gloria Morris (Wilkinson) was one of the tens children. As far as I know she is widowed and we'll living in Hanwell. My brother Ken tells me he knows you and your brother Howard. Would that be right?cheers Ron wilkinson.

Ronald wilkinson ● 3672d

Hi Norman, My youngest daughter brought your story to my attention and perhaps I can update some things for you. I lived at number 37 Grosvenor Rd in between the greengrocers and the paper shop.you probably remember my sister Brenda and my brother Ken, both of which are older than me.The Wilkinson family was very large and my father was second eldest of 21!. they lived at 25 Uxbridge Rd and there cousins lived in Shirley gds to which there were ten children! Gloria Morris (Wilkinson) was one of the tens children. As far as I know she is widowed and we'll living in Hanwell. My brother Ken tells me he knows you and your brother Howard. Would that be right?cheers Ron wilkinson.

Ronald wilkinson ● 3672d

Any more news of the Wilkinsons?  What's the latest info?

Gerry Tan ● 4683d

Sorry I meant to say daughter in law of the Wilkinsons

Lisa Smith ● 4684d

I'm also looking for a maude wilkinson daughter of the owner of the hole in the wall i think they had around 19 children. I'm looking for old news so i'm desperately trying to find anyone who knew the family around 1940's. hopefully you'll see this message or someone else will read it and get back to me thankyou....lisa

lisa smith ● 4688d

Thanks Peter for the info. Is there any way I can contact Andy directly either by email or regular post? If so I will give you whichever address is preferred on this site.  I tried three times to reply with long epistles. Twice I accidently cancelled it by leaving the site before completion and the third did not go through.  Again thanks for all you have done. I am very pleased to hear Mr. Wiseman is still alive (Andy and Jacqueline's Father). As a romantic I would love to know the family bacgrounds of his and his wife's upbringing, where and when they met and married etc., and as human interest the personal experiences of their children ( Jacqueline, Andy etc) through their School years at least.

Norman Ronald Mills ● 7407d

Yes there were 3 Lask brothers as doctors and also a son of one of them. All dead now I'm afraid and doctors with unpronounceable names there!Linda asked Andy Wiseman and that is his sister (she must have kept her pesky brothers a secret!) there is also another sister.

Peter Wright ● 7408d

Ann I lived at No.9 Grosvenor Road across from the Maisonettes. Our back garden backed onto the back garden of the Surgery, which around 1952 was occupied by Dr. Miles Laske and his daughter Lucy often called us (my brother Howard and I) over the wall to play with her. A littlelater Miles and his family moved out of the house and his brother Samuel Laske moved in. If memory serves me right I think there was one more brother working in the Clinic/Surgery. They were the Family Doctors for many in the Neighbourhood, possbly your parents.

Norman Ronald Mills ● 7408d

Norman,What number was your home in Grosvenor Road?Not being nosey, just interested.  My parents left Grosvenor Road in the 1960s, after living there nearly 30 years.

Ann S. Allridge ● 7409d

Thanks for the welcome Gerry. You say it is grubby but when I left, Elthorn Park was grubby though the city dumb that surrounded it was then allotments.Maps show a lot more green space now. Right now the days are sunny in Vancouver getting a high temperature of 8degrees celsius, though the little snow we  had a couple of weeks ago disappeared within a day, and we will probably get rain soon, however the local mountains of North Vancouver ( about as far away as Ruislip is to you ) are open for Downhill Skiing using snow making machines. It is all kind of nice wearing a pullover or cardigan and and a blazer or sport jacket and looking at snow covered mountains. Many people do not like British Columbia weather because it is too British; it rains a lot, although to me it is quite often Camelot weather in that it rains at night and is sunny during the day. Being a Rain Forest region it is always green with flowers blooming almost all year through. AND OH! by the way, I remember radio luxenburg, my parents got tickets for a Winifred Atwell show ( 2  1/2hour shows really ) being recorded for radio luxenburg.... AND reception was poor but worse if you wanted to listen to the American Forces Network broadcasting out of Germany with the latest hit music of the day,--- AND I drink Ovaltine; it is quite easy to get here, often with Chinese as well as the Official Languages of French and English for the ingrediants and preperation instructions demanded by Law. I should point out my favourite candy (sweets) are Maltesers(the spelling looks wrong but I am sure you know what I am refering to ) Thanks again for the welcome.

Norman Ronald Mills ● 7410d

Thank You Linda for your reply, however the Jacqueline Wiseman I had a (one) date with, which was to see Lawrence of Arabia at the Northfields Forum Cinema one damp drizzley Friday Night,  had only an older sister. The Wiseman's lived on the south side of Oaklands Road a couple of houses east of the corner with Cumberland Road. The Grosvenor Pub would be north east of her home.  I know your right about the Pub names,now I think it was the Halfway House. It was set back from the street (Uxbridge Road). I have never been inside, at the time it was said to be the Wilkinsons local and they had a reputation for brawling - true or false I really would not know. But it did have the closest Off Licence to where I lived at No.9.  Regards the Wilkinsons I do know they worked hard, the guys having to get up very early say around 4am to go to Covent Garden Market to get produce for the Stalls, then get home pull the Carts/Stalls to there allocated site and set them up with the produce. Admittedly it was a family affair and the wife and children would help out and in all weather, rain or shine, hot or cold etc.    But once again may I say thank you, Linda.

Norman Ronald Mills ● 7410d

The lovely radiant Vera Lynn, I fell in love with her and I was only 6 at the time!!

Colin Vaughan ● 7410d

Fabulous Colin...I enjoyed singing that lovely song!  :-O)

Gerry Tan ● 7410d

Cue for song Gerry? We'll met again                    Don't know where, don't know when,                    But I know we'll meet again,                    Some sunny day.                    Keep smiling through,                    Like we used to do                    Till the blue sky chase                    The dark clouds far away.

Colin Vaughan ● 7410d

Norman. Peter Wiseman has just called in and I have given him a copy of your E-mail. He's off to the continent now for a few weeks so may not see him for a while.

Peter Wright ● 7410d

Greetings Norman, what's it like in sunny Canada? Sorry, can't help you with names in Hanwell/Ealing, but I'm not surprised that our Linda knows of people you knew - the Wrights know everyone who are worth knowing in Hanwell - they've lived in Ealing long enough.Ealing's much the same as in the 60s - just a bit more crowded and grubby than it was. I'll bet its great in Canada. Cheers.  ;-)

Gerry Tan ● 7411d

Hi Peter's wife Linda here! I went to school with Andy Wiseman he has an older brother Peter and older sisters one of whom I am sure is Jackie will find out for you. If it is right their father is still alive and living in Hanwell as is Andy. Can't remember a White Hart pub in West Ealing on the Uxbridge Road near Grosvenor Road there was the Halfway House and the Old Hat - both still there but renamed.The Wilkinsons were indeed a 'big' family I'm not sure that they have any stalls now - the Hole in the Wall is now a butchers. There are only two stalls of greengrocers in West Ealing will try to find out if they are the Wilkinsons.

Peter Wright ● 7411d