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Traffic Violation Longfield Road/ New Broadway

This is just LTN by stealth by this Ealing Council. They must have better things to do than to 'generate' revenue by these unnecessary means. They even try to confuse and throw in the 'trump' card oof safety; but what research and evidence? Clearly the safest thing would be NOT to drive at all and I guess this is what the Ealing council are trying to force the public to do, in favour of Cyclists and LTNs. it makes my blood boil. It's terrible they can just erect these signs without proper consultation and evidence acquisition and discussion. I will NOT be voting Labour in the local elections.

Hasnat Ahmed ● 255d39 Comments

Dig it out, exactly give him a shovel to dig deeper for more crap

Peter Yale ● 246d

Phillipa, why do you think this happens???????Held up at any opportunity.How comes cycling luvvies don’t get penalised (or can’t) for exactly the same things you moan about??

Peter Yale ● 246d

I queried  yesterday why 4 way lights were in place. Traffic queues & jams pollution etc.The road was permanently reinstated & fit to drive over.Apparently (Cadent) people responsible had a permit until today “in case of”???Why could they not move a few cones & turn off the lights to alleviate issues?If, IF further necessary works required, put cones back out..Khan/TfL/council cause all this & pay per mile is on the horizon.

Peter Yale ● 246d

It's getting worse along Argyle Road, especially adjacnt to Scotch Common and the other end by the Avenue and Manor Road. The "towers" being put up near the railway station along with the temporary traffic lights will see me out!!

Peter Tolhust ● 246d

He just sees what he wants to see, most of it imaginary.When the LTNs were in place te queues on South Ealing Road and Windmill Road were pretty much constant all day, every day. When the Junction Road LTN was removed those queues disappeared immediately. That’s your traffic evaporation.What many councils and TfL are doing is engineering traffic jams to make things look worse than they are. Rephasing traffic lights. Unexplained and interminable roadworks. Silly speed limits on main roads where pedestrian activity is minimal. Thing is they aren’t admitting this because they think everyone will take I cycling instead. Dream on!

Simon Hayes ● 246d

Loads of bad drivers about but with the proliferation of cameras and the fact that all motor vehicles have to carry clear identification they are very unlikely to get away with even the most minor of transgressions. The only improvement I would like to see is greater enforcement of the speed limits.

N V Brooks ● 246d

Nobody is saying there aren’t bad drivers around Philippa. But they do get caught and sanctioned. Our roads are pretty safe on the whole. You are just looking to change the argument. If crash map does show carnage and destruction on our roads then Ben or Paul would produce that with alacrity. But it doesn’t so they won’t.I’ve said before that education of all road users (including pedestrians) would be beneficial.But as Nigel says, Ben needs to get some perspective. There was an excellent Storyville documentary on BBC2 last night about the events in Israel last October 7. Watch it and then think how bloody puerile all this handwringing about supposed mayhem on our roads is

Simon Hayes ● 246d

Simon - what about the thick element of motorists who seem to think ignoring what's around them?  There are plenty of those and they speed and drive the wrong side around traffic islands and between people on zebra crossings and race to get through lights.

Philippa Bond ● 246d

Regardless of their effect!!Yes colossal congestion down any other open road & more pollution.I proved this to you PJ during lockdown.You seem to have selective memory, or just in denial

Peter Yale ● 246d

FFS Ben, take your medication. There is not carnage and bloodshed on residential roads good god man you're obsession with all things to wield is dangerous, if you want to see carnage and bloodshed got the South Sudan or Gaza or the West Bank. Talk about overstating for the sake of dramatic effect with absolutely no sense of proportion. What a bloody idiot. Look at the accidents statistics for that junction and you will see that there has been one minor injury collision in the last five years that's one collision in addition to the woman who stepped out between part cars and was hit by a lorry whose poor bloody driver stood no chance.

N V Brooks ● 246d

Paul, the majority of people didn’t want LTNs imposed on them, or were you asleep when all the protests happened and they were removed?Making up stuff seems to be your default mode, which ties in with the council, TfL and the LCC.

Simon Hayes ● 246d

>WHY LTNs are removed..Because some people don't like them and create a big toxic stink to get them removed regardless of their affect.Then they ignore or dismiss the ongoing issue with motor traffic in the area.

Paul James ● 246d

"......... especially after seeing how they, Labour, conduct Ealing Planning Committee meetings in an increasingly authoritarian way."You have that bang on correct Mr Hawran.

Rosco White ● 247d

Oh & the cost to the economy. Can’t get anywhere, no left turn, no right, no entry, no parking etc etc.Less & less gets done

Peter Yale ● 247d

Cobblers, WHY LTNs are removed..Basic common sense, close a road, no choice but to use another

Peter Yale ● 247d

No Peter, a lot of schemss how a reduction in traffic in the area (obviously) and also a reduction in traffic AROUND The area.

Paul James ● 247d

You just cite absolute nonsense. It’s less traffic down certain roads (foolhardy schemes the public voted to remove)Resulting in more traffic down other roads

Peter Yale ● 247d

Less traffic due to schemes set up to reduce traffic, but earlier you were saying there's the same amount.Peter, make your mind up!

Paul James ● 247d

It’s basics. We live in the 21srt century, production & ££££.People want things now.So of course if you are held up by sone knobs in the council, time must be made up.All you fools who live in cuckoo land, work from home etc, have no concept of the real world

Peter Yale ● 248d

Councillors,lie, twist & manipulate figures on a par with cyclists

Peter Yale ● 248d

Absolute cobblers. Traffics denied, fined, penalised. Obviously there will be less, otherwise what’s the point of the foolhardy schemes

Peter Yale ● 248d

Ben, I have seen an increase of near collisions on the "new" junction of Gordon Road with St Leonards/Carlton Roads after the roadabout was removed. Also, I have seen an increase traffic along St. Leonards Road between Gordon Road and Uxbridge Road and the W13 part of Gordon Road after the changes at the Longfield Avenue exit by the Town Hall. Speaking for myself, I do feel that Labour run Ealing Council are disingenuous virtue signalling self important narcissistic jobsworths. Lastly but not least, I do have personal experience of an accident affecting myself, as a pedestrian, on the road. It is up to you if you want to believe me or not. But I try not to be a self important narcissistic Labour Party jobsworth, especially after seeing how they, Labour, conduct Ealing Planning Committee meetings in an increasingly authoritarian way.

Anthony Hawran ● 248d

If you don't see it, then you won't believe it. How stupidly conceited is that? If anyone was to tell you that they were involved in a crash, because you did not see it, would your response be "I don't believe you"?

Ben Owen ● 248d

"This no left/no right turn out of Longfield Road has nothing to do with Labour." (19/09/24 12:50:00  Ben Owen)The no left turn out of Longfield Avenue (NOT ROAD), into Uxbridge Road by the Town Hall has everything to do with Labour run Ealing Council. The various changes occurred between the local elections of 2014 and 2018. Firstly they relocated the pedestrian light controlled crossing from in front of Perceval House to in front of the Town Hall. This in part it seems, so that the then officious wobble bottomed Leader of the Council, could reach the shops across the road more quickly to get his food. This led to more traffic building up at the mouth of Longfield Avenue and Uxbridge Road/New Broadway "threatening the safety" of Ealing Council's top dog nomenklatura in their quest to endear themselves to developers. This includes giving away the Town Hall to the developers MASTCRAFT.Therefore, afterwards Labour run Ealing Council introduced the no left turn into Uxbridge Road out of Longfield Avenue, and no right turn into Longfield Avenue from Uxbridge Road for motorists, enforced with fines. With time, Ealing Council have improved the signage. All this has increased congestion along the W13 postcode part of Gordon Road between The Avenue and the junction of Carlton Road with St Leonards Road. And also St Leohards Road and Uxbridge Road by Ealing Fire Station. The W5 postcode part of Gordon Road from the St Leonards/Carlton Roads junction and Haven Green is quieter now. This enables the top dog nomenklatura of Ealing Council to serve their Labour political masters more safely in being lackeys and running dogs for any old developer under the sun. This includes giving away the Town Hall away to developers Mastcraft, because they seem too inept and tight a**ed to maintain it themselves. This despite being able to raise money from fining unwitting motorists at the Longfield Avenue/New Broadway road junction.Also, the Haven Green end of Gordon Road junction only allows traffic out into Haven Green. The removal of the roundabout, in 2022, on the junction of Gordon Road with St Leonards/Carlton Roads has increased the chance of an accident/collision, in my opinion. Also I think an equivalent traffic island on the W13 part of Gordon Road like there is immediately on the W5 part of that junction would have been better than the zebra crossing that was placed there. I feel the traffic would move more freely in a self regulartory way with less chance of collisions, if the roundabout had remained, plus the traffic islands. But try to get that across to narcissistic Labour run Ealing Council.Myself, I am neither a driver or a cyclist, but just a pedestrian who has lived in the area since the second half of the 1970s.

Anthony Hawran ● 248d

Ben, get a life.You have done exactly what I said you lot do, which is throw your hand up in shock horror at the number of people killed in the roads. Well, closing lots of roads in Ealing won’t save anyone in Cardiff or Plymouth or on a motorway, will it? What are the figures locally? I’m out and about a lot and don’t see many crushed and maimed bodies lying in the streets. Where’s your proof otherwise for Ealing? There are multiple factors behind road traffic accidents, but I don’t expect you have the intellectual capacity to absorb that.If you can’t understand a basic argument then there’s no hope for you. Vlad referenced the crashmap website. If you have trouble finding it ask an adult to help you. All the information you require is there.You seem to like projecting, and simply assume that I do the things you say. Well I don’t. Others do, and I don’t condone it. I followed a bus down Windmill Road recently. It was speeding, well in excess of the 20mph limit. It jumped both sets of lights at the A4, both on red and raced off to Brentford. Why do you think the driver did that?Maybe you need a little lie down first though to lower your blood pressure.

Simon Hayes ● 248d

FFS, Simon, wake up. How do you know that there is not the carnage and bloodshed on our residential roads? You don't know, you just think you do.  Then I question what kind of retesting would change an attitude like yours? The fact that you are even thinking of drivers wanting to speed to make up for lost time indicates to me that it is clearly something you might think of. The time lost, if any, is marginal and drivers drive better when they are going at slower speeds. Slow down, Simon.Maybe you need educating on how many people died last year on the roads so I will leave it to you to look that figure up (it saves being asked to give you the evidence when you can easily find it for yourself).

Ben Owen ● 248d

It’s the usual claptrap that the cycling lobbyists put forward. Accident data is always national statistics, making the issue seem far worse than it is, then zero response when asked to produce evidence relating to local roads. Paul has been referred to crashmap before and his usual behaviour is to ignore it.Most people know what happens where they live and most people are normal enough to understand that our roads are pretty safe. There’s certainly not the carnage ad bloodshed people like Paul would have you believe. It means widespread traffic restrictions don’t really make much difference, and can have the unintended consequence of making roads more dangerous as some drivers will speed or jump lights to try to make up for lost time.What would be a better way forward would be to improve driving standards by retesting people every so often. Plus, of course, educating the thick elements on bikes or walking who seem to think that ignoring what’s around them is a safe way to travel.

Simon Hayes ● 248d

https://www.crashmap.co.uk/Search is, I think, the best publicly available data on crashes. No evidence of a concentration of incidents at that junction.

Vlod Barchuk ● 248d

Well Paul, that isn’t correct. Hounslow council produced figures that showed traffic INCREASED by 17 percent on Windmill Road after the part closure of Swyncombe Avenue and the establishment of the LTN at the bottom of Junction Road.Very naive of you to believe anything a politician says.

Simon Hayes ● 248d

It's what a councillor said, pretty sure they wouldn't make stuff up like that.I'll try and dig it out for you.

Paul James ● 248d

No Peter, that's not exactly what happens.If it does can you explain how overall traffic goes down or stays the same around LTNS?

Paul James ● 248d

& it’s bloody obvious. You close  a road, traffic needs to go down any others which are still open ( & rapidly dwindling)

Peter Yale ● 249d

There is not a single recorded serious incident on that junction involving a pedestrian, check the records Paul.Please cite the 'incidents'.

N V Brooks ● 249d

A councillor from that ward told me before the left turn was there there were many drivers on a rat run using the left turn (which of course, for people in a hurry is often done in haste) and several incidents where people were hit.After the scheme went in they said this all stopped.

Paul James ● 249d

The signage was contested as inadequate by the independent adjudicator and, as a result was improved. If you 'miss' the new signs then it is no one's fault but you own. I dislike this particular restriction but the signage is very clear.

N V Brooks ● 254d

This no left/no right turn out of Longfield Road has nothing to do with Labour. Think of it as your penalty charge for not paying attention to the signage. If you had read the signs, which have been there for years, you would have skipped the hassle of a fine.The reason why the closure was put in, as I understand it, was that vehicles were making use of Gordon Road as a rat-run to bypass the Uxbridge Road. The Highways Dept correctly decided to make Gordon Road safer, after counting too many vehicles speeding along it going towards or coming form Ealing. The banning of the left turn/right turn to/from Ealing solved the problem. Had you used another route you would have found that journey time would have been similar. Finally, there are masses of people who work for the council who don't vote Labour!

Ben Owen ● 254d

The wonderful leaders cited safety reasons due to “accidents “?However they still allow the more dangerous right turn out of it.Millions ££££ raised from infringements, which according to them goes towards traffic safety.So as you rightly say, basically shutting roads to motorists.I would never, ever vote Labour, they hate cars.You got Kommandant khan trying to shut Oxford St & other roads  yet to be stated. Pay per mile is going to be introduced & fuel duty increased.We had our chance at the elections, you were warned.But motorists aren’t a cash cow, nor do they get penalised at every turn 😡

Peter Yale ● 255d

If it’s the Longfield Avenue/Broadway junction there’s been a no left turn restriction in place for about five years. It’s counter-intuitive but they aren’t going to take it out now.

Simon Hayes ● 255d

"I will NOT be voting Labour in the local elections." ........ you mean you actually did before? 😲

Rosco White ● 255d