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Rosco White · 7/31/2024 5:54:00 PM

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Winter Fuel Allowance - The Hypocrite Party doing what they do BEST - Being Hypocrites!

Oh Dear, only last May apparently .........https://x.com/i/status/1818273528355139768Awaiting a nuanced, informed and logical comment from Ms Bond et al. 😆The Conservatives are also undoubtedly untrustworthy, but a Party who consistently paints themselves as being more honest than the Tories and "For the working man" and all their other BS, just beggars belief fools still vote for them.

Rosco White ● 182d88 Comments

Hopefully it will mean that more people who need extra help will actually claim the benefits to which they are entitled, and those who don't need it won't get it.All benefits and entitlements to benefits change from time to time and so need to be checked. There was something about Attendance Allowance and the different sorts of eye problems that now entitle you to claim for it - and you don't need to have a carer.

Philippa Bond ● 161d

It seems to be Imbecility beyond belief.I expect more, MUCH more from this dishonest, amateur bunch.Especially if Rayner is involved.God help us, we are going to need it.

Rosco White ● 162d

Just seen on the news that Reeves is now encouraging the estimated 800k people who are entitled to pension credits but who are not claiming it,to do so.This will mean not only will they receive more in benefit payments,but will also qualify for the winter fuel payment.If this will not cost way more than what is being spent on the winter payment,I will eat my hat.I fail to see what this policy will achieve.

Keith Iddon ● 162d

No, that means giving the people a choice, and that is not allowed when you have a Secret Commie Agenda.Although it is becoming less "secret" by the day. 😨

Rosco White ● 162d

Surely it would be better for Labour to give the pensioners who don't feel they need or want to take the extra money for heating,a chance to opt out and donate it back into the pot for those whoare struggling.

Keith Iddon ● 162d

You should all be sorry for those train drivers who will be struggling with their £70k pa salaries. Nice one Labour to get no promises to change their restrictive working practises. Possibly only the under 30s are excused as not realising what leopards who don't change their spots look like!

peter king ● 162d

If Liebore "change their mind", it's not hypocrisy?It's simply changing their mind? 😳 🤣

Rosco White ● 162d

What's all this wishy washy drivel about 'changing one's mind' not mattering? I matters hugely when it detrementally affects millions of old people with a fixed income.It sounds very much like we have the middle class on here telling those less well off that they have to suck it up and get on with it,all said from their comfy,cosy and warm little bubble.Give it a rest.The fuel price increase of 9% has just been announced,btw.

Keith Iddon ● 163d

"BTW there are no rules in discussions or in conversations for that matter."Sir, I have to disagree with that, otherwise you end up all over the shop?In normal conversation there is a commonly accepted thing called "Keeping to the point."You embarked on a digression, which may, or may not, be allowed in any one particular discussion group.I have no idea of your political persuasion, but what you did is definitely a Lefty Swerve! 😉

Rosco White ● 163d

But the winter fuel payment doesn't actually end fuel poverty and there may be better ways of doing that. The handout to so many people who may not need it would obviously be better spent on those that really do and on long lasting home improvements like insulation and double glazing. It is amazing how many homes still don't have double glazing and will have been suffering from excessive heat through the windows in the recent heatwave. Where is the help on this? The energy companies have been supposed to be helping their needy customers out. How is that going?

Philippa Bond ● 164d

For hypocrisy - Boris Johnson is a Gold Medal winner! All politicians will say at any time what they think will get them elected/keep them in power.BTW there are no rules in discussions or in conversations for that matter.Let's hope for another mild Winter.

Eric Alan Leach ● 164d

A Tweet by Rachel Reeves from the general election in 2019 has surfaced, in which she says that a future Labour government will end fuel poverty.Oops!

Susan Kelly ● 164d

"Changing one's mind is a normal human trait"Yes, but that is not the discussion.When you attack the Tories with a "Holier Than Thou" vitriolic onslaught, and then do exactly the same thing only months later, that's GROSS HYPOCRISY.The discussion is not about the rights or wrongs of the WFA, or means testing it, we are discussing Commisar Starmer's staggering hypocrisy.Which is an undoubted Labour Specialty.

Rosco White ● 164d

The real problem with that is thousands of the people who exist on the cusp of meeting the criteria and who just miss out,will no longer be able to turn up their boiler a notch or two in December and January when it is coldest.It will hurt the 'nearly poor',so to speak,most of all.It will likely cost government twice as much as they save,with new claimants for qualifying benefits,hospital admissions and gp appointments.Many very elderly pensioners feel stigmatised by the means test and have bad memories of it from the 40's and 50's.Labour will likely lose supporters too.

Keith Iddon ● 164d

A good decision. Means testing is a sensible approach. Many not poor pensioner friends of mine consistently gave the money to charity. Changing one's mind is a normal human trait. Governments have to prioritise in real time especially when £millions are involved. It's early days to demonise a Government which has only been in power for 6 weeks. BTW I'm not a member of the Labour Party - or any political Party as it happens.

Eric Alan Leach ● 164d

The usual evading, non-answer, followed by a baffling non-sensical comment.Par for the course.Now, how about a direct answer to a direct Question - Please comment on Commissar Starmer's monumentally hypocritic U-Turn on the Winter Fuel Allowance?

Rosco White ● 165d

Do you know how you got here on the World Wide Web and what are you doing on www.ealingtoday.co.uk because that is where you are asking questions?

Philippa Bond ● 165d

How on earth would I know what the answer is to all your imaginings and suppositions?What is important is that those who will no longer get this money have already done something about or will try and do something about preparing for a possible increase in their need for heating this winter. For some that could be by making more of an effort to reduce energy use now while you can without causing too much stress. My effort has been to hang as much washing as possible on the line in the garden instead of using a tumble dryer. However I appreciate this is not available to everyone.If you insist on being insulting I can't imagine that anybody in the Labour party will be answering your questions but if you are really serious I'm surprised you still try to get answers from here.

Philippa Bond ● 165d

And I am STILL "Awaiting a nuanced, informed and logical comment from Ms Bond et al. 😆" as per my opening the topic.Surely the Liebores can justify their Comrade Leader's actions? 😉

Rosco White ● 165d

What is it & all the thousands of other www.etc???

Peter Yale ● 165d

Well it is an easy one to look up for yourself. There was a good item on BBC's You and Yours the other day.

Philippa Bond ● 166d

Blind kink5 - never follow these

N V Brooks ● 166d

https://www.independentage.org/

Philippa Bond ● 166d

Labour diehards are EXACTLY like Boxer in Orwell's "Animal Farm".

Rosco White ● 168d

On top of this winter allowence, we now learn road pricing in being considered!

Nicholas Beard ● 169d

I re-present, as in my opening of this Topic, Comrade Starmer's earnest attack on the Conservatives for considering removing the Winter Fuel Allowance.It was last May I believe, 3 months ago ........https://x.com/i/status/1818273528355139768I have no doubt whatsoever that this Total Tosspot honestly believes he is in possession of the utmost "integrity."And his idiot followers probably think so too.As I have said, they need to rebrand as The Hypocrite Party, they are Past Masters at it, Moet Marxists the lot of 'em.

Rosco White ● 169d

Philippa, if this "Attendance Allowance" become more claimed, will the present Labour government cut it back, and come up with some disingenuous bullshit to justify the cut back? After all, Labour represent top dog managers in the public sector. Everything else is secondary to this, despite their virtue signalling to the contrary.

Anthony Hawran ● 170d

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/martin-lewis-attendance-allowance-dwp-benefit-pension-b2585591.html#:~:text=Writing%20in%20his%20latest%20email,who%20need%20daily%20living%20help.

Philippa Bond ● 170d

Extremely weak reply, evading comment yet again, you obviously know you have no legs to stand on.Impossible for you isn't it Ms Bond to admit that your Lovely Labour are as big a snakes as the rest of them.If not worse ...........

Rosco White ● 170d

I think you've brainwashed yourself!

Philippa Bond ● 171d

Right on cue, yet another swerve........."constructive"!?!How is it constructive, when directly asked, to deliberately and obviously evade commenting on the Winter Allowance betrayal by Comrade Starmer and your Beloved Labour Party?You are FAR more brainwashed than I already thought.

Rosco White ● 171d

I really don't know why you think that insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you but prefers to be constructive will get you anywhere.

Philippa Bond ● 171d

Blimey, a Swervy Swervical Swerving Swervitious Swervafication of A Lefty Swerve if there ever was one - A New Record! 🤣Bit tricky when Common Sense and Facts destroy your Blind Allegiance and Lefty Ideology innit Ms Bond? 😆Why not post a Link to Deflect and Swerve? 😂

Rosco White ● 171d

You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Philippa Bond ● 171d

Keep going Philippa. Eventually you’ll get round to answering the question.

Simon Hayes ● 172d

Well we had a discussion on those particular houses when I posted an article on them winning the Stirling Prize about five years ago. You can obviously house more people in towers. Many of our homes are underinhabited and inflexible. We need green spaces too. The Local Plan has to be approved by the Govt. Since "affordable" housing isn't affordable by most and there are still thousands of homes both needing remedial work since Grenfell revelations and problems still with leaseholds and absent and inattentive landlords and now difficulty in finding experienced builders the housing crisis remains.

Philippa Bond ● 172d

No need to comment Ms Bond, you are now appearing very foolish.Your constant evasion with Lame Lefty Swerves, totally ignoring repeated requests and a blank refusal to comment on this public forum, answers my question completely.You are a TYPICAL Liebore Voter. 🤣

Rosco White ● 172d

Oh dear, Philippa, you’ve gone so far off topic it’s unbelievable. Those nice Norwich homes could have been replicated in Ealing (and there was a campaign from Ealing Matters to do so) but those very eco-unfriendly tower a blocks won out.Have you checked how many pensioners who won’t get the winter fuel allowance are stumping up the cost of a new boiler? I doubt it.

Simon Hayes ● 172d

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-60377919An interview with some tenants of Goldsmith Street Norwich who are really pleased right now to be living in an eco-home because they don't need to spend so much on energy to keep warm.

Philippa Bond ● 172d

Rosco Your posts are just repetitively boring and uninformative.Have you changed your boiler yet?Have you seen how much energy is used in these new homes to heat them? These are the way that new housing should be built.https://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/24177452.goldsmith-street-council-homes-norwich-sold-off/https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/first-goldsmith-street-council-home-to-be-sold-off-under-right-to-buy

Philippa Bond ● 172d

Deflective Swerving, boring as usual.For about the third time Ms Bond.....Care to comment on Comrade Starmer's screeching Lefty Swerve Hand Brake U Turn on cutting The Winter Fuel Allowance?You just cannot and will not admit will you that him and his crew are slimy, lying, duplicitous bar stewards.Like most of the dishonest politians from All Parties that we have foisted on us these days.Except Liebore, much more than the Other Parties, always paint themselves as Oh So Virtuous and Saintly. 🤣

Rosco White ● 173d

It is not as tunnel-visioned as that.Unfortunately the balance has not been right. Money is moved around by Govts from one use to another - and is not all ring-fenced as you'd like to think. Govts are petrified of losing power and so try and butter up whoever they think may give them votes and their behaviour to scupper any other Govts and promises to all and sundry make for a more complicated scenario. They also have to take care of the safety and security and the position of the country in the wider world as well.The money you will have been paying in will be paying for the generation before you but yes, should entitle you to something when your time comes - and for many because of the shortfall and because many in generations before have lived longer the pension age has been increased - uncomfortable for a Govt to do because unpopular - some may never live to collect any. The generation following you has to pay for you! So we need taxpaying youngsters to follow us and we need to pay our share of taxes and more should be done to ensure that changes are made to reduce the number of those who evade and avoid paying their share. Our use of public services goes up and down during our lives and most of us hope that we won't need to use them much at all once we have finished our education and are earning to pay our way and save.It's worrying that there is so little social care available to help us in our old age when we are unable to do things for ourselves because we prefer not to think about it. You don't see it until you approach it and see the problems the generation above have. How can that best be planned?With long waiting lists for treatment many have been unable to work and live as fit a life as they could have done. It's better to try and stay fit and active for as long as possible so the NHS spends more time treating people for problems they have that they aren't at fault for causing! BTW Attendance Allowance has changed and other ailments have been added which can make you eligible including regarding eyesight. There are lots of new reports on how poor eyesight can lead to dementia but then so can poor hearing. Multi-sensory understanding of what is going on in the world around you is important. Make sure you go to those appointments! Check out Attendance Allowance.

Philippa Bond ● 173d

Unfortunately, that is not The Lefty Way.You may have worked hard, contributed and paid in all your life, but those who are lazy and feckless, who have just taken everything and paid in nothing, have a Right to also continue their Free Ride by being given an unearned free share of your hard earned pot.

Rosco White ● 173d

My humble opinion is, those who contributed & paid in, should be first in the queue.The rest can wait

Peter Yale ● 173d

Still no comment Ms Bond on Comrade Starmer and Liebore's RANK Hypocrisy????? Is it because you KNOW it's treachery and a VILE betrayal?Or do you think Liebore is still an Honest Party bursting with Integrity. 🤣

Rosco White ● 173d

Does this all exist still:https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/home-grants/article/cold-weather-payment-winter-fuel-payment-and-fuel-direct-ajAb61U0gPCI?source_code=911CRJ&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=generic&gad_source=5&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5evHmYTmhwMVVqloCR2alzlREAAYASAAEgKfavD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.dsIncludes links for insulation. You know that stuff that those much maligned peaceful protesters Insulate Britain were protesting about us needing for our 'leakiest homes in Europe' which the Russian invasion of Ukraine has shown us is important and lacking if we want to need less of, use less of and spend less on keeping warm (and of course keeping cool).

Philippa Bond ● 173d

Well, the Red Tories aren’t doing much to lift anyone out of poverty apart from junior doctors. More likely to push more people under the breadline with current policies.Change? To quote Ealing’s Pete Townshend: ‘Meet the new boss, same as the old boss’.

Simon Hayes ● 174d

Yes,I thought the first thing Labour did would be to target the better off tax payers somehow,or better still the huge companies that body swerve their responsibilities via loopholes.,not those on a pension.It will hurt most those who don't meet the criteria for the benefits that qualify them for this payment.They may be against being means tested,having memeories of what that meant in the 40's and 50's.Means tested crumbs handed out reluctantly.

Keith Iddon ● 175d

Unfortunately for your theory Philippa, the ones who most need it are usually the ones who will suffer the most. My own in laws in the High Peak of Derbyshire who get snowed in most winters are just over the PC bar.Ironically the PC folk are better off than most of us what with the freebies starting with the Council Tax- nigh on £2,000 for many of us. To say nothing of free rent, free dentist( if you can find one) and many other freebies.I wonder if those who voted for Sir Kneeler are quite so keen now.

Bettina Margaret Thwaite ● 175d

Sorry,I shouldn't have misquoted you but the sentiment is the same as what you wrote.

Keith Iddon ● 175d

I know what you wrote,Phillipa.You said that those who don't need it will 'make the most noise.Those who do won't'What makes ypu think for one minute that those who don't need it will complain more and more loudly than those who do?Without anything to back it up,it defies common sense imo.

Keith Iddon ● 175d

Oh it’s work for you is it?Actually, a lot of people work from home now and don’t venture that far. I suspect your involvement on the Putney site is simply to spread your preaching further afield.

Simon Hayes ● 175d

Do you always stay in one place - and work in the same place? Most people don't.

Philippa Bond ● 175d

Keith - it was those who DON'T need it most who will make the most noise!

Philippa Bond ● 175d

Not really, Philippa. Seems strange that you post on a Putney forum when you apparently live in Ealing.

Simon Hayes ● 175d

Just wait until Labour start attacking pension tax relief and introduce other ways of prising cash out of the elderly. Won’t affect those already retired on fat final salary pensions, of course.And yet, here’s the Starmer manifesto pledge:‘Labour will protect the triple lock on pensions and increase the state pension each year in line with inflation, average earnings, or by 2.5 per cent, whichever is higher. We will support pensioners and give them the dignity and security they deserve in retirement. 9 Jun 2024’

Simon Hayes ● 175d

Sigh. You see what I mean folks?

Philippa Bond ● 175d

Phillipa,why on earth would those people who need the benefit most not complain at its withdrawal? That makes no sense,unless of course you have conducted your own survey.Its best not to preach from a cossetted position to those far less well off.It has a real 'let them eat cake' ring to it.

Keith Iddon ● 175d

Nobody wants to stalk you, were all fed up with you Posting on Putney forum, we don't know who you think you are. You think you know everything, there are so many intelligent people on our forum you still continually think you are right. We think your stalking us. Well stay off our forum and we won't have to have anymore to do with you. End Of.

Barbara Stevens ● 175d

Yet again, sigh, that is NOT the discussion.The POINT is, Your Swerveness, Comrade Starmer's oh so pious, righteous and holier than thou attack on the Tories only months ago for considering the same move.The POINT, Your Swerveness, is Comrade Starmer and Company's sheer brass neck in now cutting it.As I have said, The Hypocrite Party Par Excellence!SURELY even YOU Ms Bond don't believe their "We're more honest and trustworthy than the Tories" complete and utter BS Tripe?!

Rosco White ● 175d

It's definitely not simply being controlled by and agreeing with everything someone else says or being stalked by them!

Philippa Bond ● 175d

Perhaps you could post a link for her on it? Although I’m not sure you’ve got the hang of discussion either Philippa.

Simon Hayes ● 175d

I'm afraid Barbara hasn't got the hang of Discussion Forums.

Philippa Bond ● 175d

Yes Philippa thinks she lives in Putney as well, as continually mucks up our posts, by swerving them continually in what she wants to discuss. Philippa is on nearly every forum. Who does she think she is.

Barbara Stevens ● 175d

It isn't means tested and I bet it is those who don't need it for keeping warm who are making the most fuss. Those who really do wouldn't. That is why you should be helping people not claiming Pension Credit who need it to do so. It is energy just in case you still have your heads in the sand over which we all need to be careful.https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/07/30/freedom-from-fossil-power-wind-and-solar-electricity-grew-to-all-time-high-in-first-half-o Oh and I do realise that we are no longer in the EU!

Philippa Bond ● 175d

The dogged determination in evading the Winter Fuel Allowance question by ignoring it is great entertainment and just gets better with every posting.

Rosco White ● 175d

Wow, really off on a tangent. It’s summertime now, so not cold even if it has been wet. Trying to keep cool isn’t the thread here.The winter fuel payment is for the, er, winter, when people tend to pit their heating on to try to stay warm. That’s the general idea. Nothing to do with ‘rearranging’ unless you suggest that all those pensioners splash out on expensive retrofitting their homes. Many older people already adjust their lifestyles to reduce expenditure on heating, but it is old in the UK in winter.So you think the changes in winter fuel allowss as necessary are okay then Philippa, since you are not arguing against it.

Simon Hayes ● 176d

It just shows how important it is to look at insulation and ventilation of buildings. Right now the problem in many people's minds is heat with many buildings with windows that can't be opened or you can't get any cross ventilation to cool - so rather than it being fuel being used to keep warm it is fuel being used to cool.I've managed to dry clothes on a line outside recently without any worry which is good. And we've opened our LOCKED sash windows as per the Imperial College and Cambridge University recommendation of a little top and bottom to let hot air out the top and cool air in the bottom. A cold hot water bottle is also good on hot evenings and making sure the bedroom had cooled before you go to bed!There always seem to be improvements that can be made. (I'd love the fanlight to open too and maybe have a grille.) The less spent on energy now the more prepared we may be for when it is cold.Change can mean rearranging.

Philippa Bond ● 176d

Come on Philippa, you are being disingenuous in the extreme.Of course opposition shouts at power. But what was the defining slogan of Labour’s election campaign? Change. Shall I define that for you? It means doing something different or opposite to what’s been done before.I suppose axing the winter fuel allowance is a change, but in the wrong direction for anyone with a social conscience.The Tory chumocracy is going to get it’s comeuppance in due course, but from now on all government mistakes are labour’s to make.I take it you agree that the child benefit policy is an acceptable price to pay for getting into government? It seems lifting families out of poverty isn’t a priority.

Simon Hayes ● 176d

Blimey, a Lefty Swervy Swerving Swerve! 🤣

Rosco White ● 176d

Surely Oppositions should always be shouting the loudest?BTW Has anything happened to those Tories who helped themselves to and their friends to PPE contracts?I see that spending had not actually been allocated by the previous Govt for a lot of failures that there have been reports on and for which compensation is due/expected.

Philippa Bond ● 176d

Ms Bond - Lefty Swerving all over the place, as predictable........you must get VERY dizzy.We still await your (anyone's) learned, informed response to Comrade Starmer's hypocritical attack on the Tories for considering stopping the Winter Fuel Allowance.Dubious, irrelevant and obtuse cut & paste Links not allowed. 😂

Rosco White ● 176d

So you agree that Labour are simply Red Tories? Winter fuel allowance, child benefit cap, more austerity on the way. Ironic that they were the ones ‘shouting loudest’ before they got into Government!

Simon Hayes ● 176d

Well maybe those who shout loudest could use it to help anyone who they think might be eligible for benefits that they are not claiming and if not point them in the direction of someone who can. Or are the shouting loudest the ones who take it and don't actually really need it?

Philippa Bond ● 176d

Well, that’s alright then.

Simon Hayes ● 176d

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/30/what-are-winter-fuel-payments-and-who-will-lose-and-keep-themIf you highlight, copy and paste this link into your browser you will find that there is a clickable link for a benefits calculator.

Philippa Bond ● 176d

Oh, come on Liebore Luvvies, let's hear what you have to say on the subject............

Rosco White ● 178d

People like Philippa Bond always like making excuses for the Facilitators of Baby P's Murder Party, aka the Labour Party. Labour are a party of top dog managers, that are good at being disingenuous and at virtue signalling. If they had all the money in the world, they would still spend it on their own selves first, it seems. As soon as they get into office at national level, it stops fuel payments for many of the pensioners. Any savings from these cuts will undoubtedly will go on pay rises for Labour's own client group - the public sector workers. That probably will include Ealing Council's Democratic Services Department. It has just given the striking junior doctors from the Bumfluff Medical Association a 22 percent pay award. The people have to serve the paternal neo feudal top dog virtue signalling managers of Labour, inorder to "protect public services", not the other way round. Labour, the Facilitators of Baby P's Murder Party will keep the bureaucratic gravy train rolling at the expense of the People.

Anthony Hawran ● 179d

Liebore Luvvies still all rather quiet.Oh, I forgot, Liebore is more honest and possessing of far more integrity than the The Nasty Scummy Tories. 🤣

Rosco White ● 179d

Waffle.

Keith Iddon ● 179d

The usual, and expected, deflecting Lefty Swerve.How utterly predictable and tiresome.Care to comment on Comrade Starmer's attack on the Tories, Ms Bond?As per my opening post .............https://x.com/i/status/1818273528355139768

Rosco White ● 180d

With a growing elderly population (although in more recent years not as much) and Govts for so long scared to increase the pension age in case of becoming unpopular those payments required of them and that people talk about as having 'worked all my life for' aren't actually enough to comfortably keep them in old age. There is Pension Credit out there and there are a lot of people who aren't claiming the benefits that they could do now and are entitled to. There is a lot of fearmongering about people who claim and shouldn't be but they will be small in comparison. I noticed recently that there are some eye problems that have now been added to the list that can entitle you to benefit. If you know anyone that this applies to do tell them as the money should help them to get to their appointments.There are a lot of things which contribute to dementia and you may not be aware that this includes poor eyesight and poor hearing. So make sure that you keep up to date with appointments and try end encourage others to do so as well.Staving off dementia as long as you can just has to be worthwhile!

Philippa Bond ● 180d

Labour hate white middle class.Those who worked all their lives & contributed get dumped on.They given amnesty to 10,000 of the Rwanda scheme, going to build houses left , right & centre.Do what’s the limit, let’s sort out our own backyard first

Peter Yale ● 181d

There are many pensioners who will feel this harshly,the ones who don't quite qualify for benefits but who rely upon some help to get them over winter,when fuel prices are due to rise again.The millions of pensioners who qualify but don't apply for benefits may now start to reconsider and put themselves forward for them,costing the treasury much,much more whilst destroying faith in Labour amongst many.

Keith Iddon ● 182d

Never fear, I'm sure Big Ange has all the answers. 🤣

Rosco White ● 182d

At least the black hole is only £22bn now. Quite an achievement for the useless Tories to get it down by more from £46bn.The ‘Red Tories’ are just as untrustworthy as their blue counterparts, who at least have the excuse of being nominally right wing and in favour of less government intervention.Starmer was so desperate to get into No.10 he promised everything to everyone. There was an interesting discussion about this on Newsnight a couple of days ago, basically highlighting how morally bankrupt our political class is and why nobody trusts them anymore.Of course there’s the usual claptrap about the state of the economy from Labour but countries really aren’t run like households, despite what media types like to portray. Governments have access to all sorts of funding sources including borrowing and, of course, taxation as a basis of revenue raising. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance won’t save much in the grand scheme of things but it will destroy trust in Labour among older voters who might have thought Starmer was a good choice.What we will see over the next few years is an exodus of wealth as the very rich simply find more ways to move money offshore. They don’t worry about fuel allowances and the like.

Simon Hayes ● 182d

And we all await the blatant attempts to gerrymander and rig future elections by changing The System.For it will DEFINITELY happen.You can BET on it.What a luvverly, Honest Party, SO much more honest than the Conservatives. 🤣

Rosco White ● 182d

Fewer voted for them this time than voted for the now legendary Jeremy Corbyn.They have about 220 more seats than he won.Go figure...

Keith Iddon ● 182d