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LAmmas park earthworks

Any idea whats going on? the council has provided a small map which reveals very little!!

Nick Robinson ● 70d19 Comments

Slow the flow:Thames Water has always offered discounted water butts in the past and it looks as though they may be doing so here - but you must check!  There are such a lot of different ones from bog-standard black to brightly coloured ones that you can also use as a planter.https://www.waterbuttsdirect.co.uk/thames-water

Philippa Bond ● 57d

It’s not so much the paving but the runoff from gutters, via drainpipes, straight into the waste water system. Most front gardens aren’t that big and you need pretty heavy and prolonged rain to create significant runoff from there, especially if there’s a wall or hedge boundary creating a barrier.This isn’t a new thing. I covered this in my first degree some years ago and mitigation is possible, for example through the installation of a water butt to collect the rainwater.

Simon Hayes ● 57d

What would have made all this less necessary was if Ealing wasn't full of people with paved over front gardens and either more paving or fake grass in the back garden.If the ground isn't permeable then where is the water going to go?

Andrew Jones ● 57d

Constructive action:https://cpre-london.eventcube.io/events/60231/make-london-a-sponge-city/

Philippa Bond ● 58d

The Dutch do have excellent flood defences, but they are not infallible and they do suffer quite extensive damage from time to time. It doesn’t get reported in the UK, but of course the Netherlands gets at least as much heavy rain as we do.https://www.preventionweb.net/news/netherlands-can-prepare-even-better-extreme-weather-seven-recommendations-response-floods-july#:~:text=In%20July%202021%2C%20an%20extremely,extensive%20damage%20in%20the%20Netherlands.Ealing council won’t spend anywhere near what’s required to mitigate the flood risk at Gurnell. As any fule no, the best option is to have a large expanse of open and unoccupied land to soak up overflow before it reaches dwellings and other buildings. They are the flood plains the council is so keen to build on.

Simon Hayes ● 64d

Honestly? That's my favourite part of Lammas Park now. Lots of wildlife around. Even saw a heron perching on a rock once - not sure there are actually any fish?Where's your proof about these dangerous insects, or is that just something that could possible happen?

Andrew Smith ● 64d

Tell that to the Dutch

Andrew Smith ● 64d

Ealing council has unveiled its new design for Gurnell leisure centre today, a key feature of which is apparent management of the flood risk posed by building on the River Brent flood plain. If history shows us anything it’s that you can’t manage a flood risk. It’s expensive and liable to fail at some point.

Simon Hayes ● 65d

I don't understand what the fuss is about sustainable drainage systems that are being introduced world and countrywide.  They are necessary now that we are facing the Climate Change that we have been threatened with for years and for which little has been done to inform and protect us by successive Govts. The links that you have been provided with are great.  To read them you need to highlight, copy (Control C) and paste  (Control P) into your browser if you are just used to the simplicity of clicking on links. Slightly different with a smartphone.Yes, there are ALSO plenty of Cowboy Builders and selfish people who will just put down the drains all sorts of things with no thought further than their own convenience that block them and cause havoc for other people - despite being told and knowing that their actions cause problems.

Philippa Bond ● 65d

Paul, this link contains virus. I trust that was not deliberate and accidental.However, the BBC link is a report rather bereft of fact. Which is also more than apparent locally to residents around Lammas Park.Do you know where the flash flooding risk in the locality is?  Because it seems local people do not.But what is known and by residents and businesses of over 50 years is a poor recoded of gully and sewer cleansing by both local authority and going back to pre- Thames Water with the Metropolitan Water Authority ( TWA )  Lack of tree maintenance, allowing of developments with no water table impact and increases of waste water.No good reasons have been openly and honestly presented.So rather than hide behind rather poor links bereft of actual fact what do you know that might throw some truth and clarity on the matter?And just why is it that this authority deems it unfitting to be open clear and honest about how, what and why?

Raymond Havelock ● 65d

Ooh, blocked drain. I wonder why?https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/18/concreteberg-weighing-105-tonnes-blocks-london-sewer-concrete-drainThen your precious Ealing councillors who are going to save the world want to build all over the River Brent flood plain at Gurnell! Really clever !!And your precious cycle lanes can’t be cleaned using the gully cleaners operated on roads so frequently flood too. Twickenham Riadvin Isleworth is a prime example.As I said, you post things without really knowing what you are talking about.

Simon Hayes ● 67d

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/e32f/live/dfde8b20-060d-11ef-b04a-21c266cbdc3e.jpg.webp

Paul James ● 67d

Stop posting nonsense then Paul.

Simon Hayes ● 67d

I've asked you already Simon, leave me alone, stop being abusive.

Paul James ● 67d

Lucky they aren’t sanctioning massive overdevelopment everywhere with tonnes of concrete poured into the ground (and the sewer system). And all those new dwellings have toilets, dishwashers and all the other waste water producing things that feed directly into the drains.You really don’t understand how anything works Paul.

Simon Hayes ● 67d

Pretty clear to me the council has seen something that horrified it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51ngn55gz4o

Paul James ● 68d

This is EXACTLY what happens when you get a bunch of common *Communists running your Local Council.Of course, as always, unless they have their snout firmly in the trough, the fools who voted this crock in rarely have to suffer the consequences of their ideological idiocy.* masquerading as "The Labour Party".

Rosco White ● 69d

After months and many attempts to get answers, it seems there is no full and thorough risk assessment publicly available which provides full proper and verifiable detail.It's not acceptable for Error 404 or server down for maintenance or no response to emails and the constant withholding of names and contacts for months and months.It smacks of total arrogance towards the local people of Ealing who pay taxes and council taxes for this kind of incompetence and wilful contempt.Who thought in a good idea to create, in a public park where children for generations played safely and can be seen by parents and guardians,  muddy water lagoons where there has not been any recorded flooding issues.Moving thousands of tonnes of earth which will affect the local water table and potentially destabilise the ground can affect up to 400m away.Has there been an integral effect assessment for the immediate streets permitting the park?Have any residents actually been informed of the ramifications or preventative plans to avoid subsidence and ground water rising ?The smaller project in the park ( where there has long been a ground saturation issue) has resulted in stagnant water contaminated from animal waste. There are biting water borne insects and larvae as well as the appearance of Horse Flies. Get a bite from one of these and you will certainly know about it for weeks.How will animal urine and faeces ( from the great many dogs that have a run in the park but mores from Foxes, Rats and vermin be contained and not become a health risk to both Humans and domestic dogs etc?How will midges, mosquitos, ticks and biting insects associated with still water be mitigated and not be a health risk particularly to urban populous who do not have the same degree of resistance to those in more rural domains.?Where exactly is the flood risk the necessitates this ?Where is the health risk assessment not the PR / Disney version?Why is there no mention of the air raid shelters and WW1 tunnels and the risk of unearthing contaminated land from those periods or the results not been published anywhere?What is in place to maintain and ensure 100% public safety given that for the past 40 years, barely a tree has been maintained and most parks demonstrate neglect and are a banal shadow of what they once were?Tree care maintenance in Lammas Park is almost non existent and is only evident post mishap. Even the most simple maintenance is left until it is too late resulting in trees becoming unstable.The risks outweigh the gains and yet another loss to those who want to simply have a bit of space to roam without risk.The dangers of naive and misleading purveyors of virtue signalling and evidenced by the complete PR handles avoidance of any actual, clear and verifiable facts.What is wrong with being honest, straight and communicating fully and clearly?

Raymond Havelock ● 69d

This should help:https://appasp.ealingtoday.co.uk/server/app/forum/ShowMessage.asp?ID=1583910

Phil Kay ● 70d