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They really have lost it at the council

http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=info&page=ldrsroad009.htmNo mention in the article of where traffic (including buses) goes from north of Haven Green to South Ealing. Muppets!

Peter King ● 541d106 Comments

👍😀 exactly

Peter Yale ● 529d

Grow up you baby.Always lie, skirt around issue, evade, ignore.Look at others responses to you.Change your nappy

Peter Yale ● 529d

Oh no, mummy, the big boys are being nasty to me again.

N V Brooks ● 529d

Quite frankly Peter, I find you quite obsessive and scary here as well as very nasty and abusive, so no wonder really!

Paul James ● 529d

Like a lot of things you are asked you cherrypick answers.You were asked by me specifically on quite a few occasions & ignored.Seems now you have had time to research & rehearse a reply , there was no details

Peter Yale ● 529d

I said I used a car to drive to Richmond park once, about 10 years ago. It was you that made it into a saga Peter!

Paul James ● 529d

What was the Richmond saga you were so reluctant to discuss?If that’s the case good, let the rest of us go about our business

Peter Yale ● 529d

I don't have a car Peter. The last time I drove a car was in the summer and it wasn't even in this country.

Paul James ● 529d

Ben james, there’s a clue in the surnames, different!!!I complain or moan, because they are facts which cause problems over foolhardy anti car schemes,forced - sorry promoted upon people

Peter Yale ● 529d

It’s highly likely. Have you given up your license yet, more anti car rhetoric.Rather you’re against too many cars, so start with losing yours

Peter Yale ● 529d

Is it the same Peter who groans about closed roads in Derby, as it is who moans over cancelled trains at Syon Lane?

Ben Owen ● 529d

You write that as if it's a fact Peter :D

Paul James ● 529d

If they did this then no cars could get to the car park for the shopping centre and as a result we will see the death of Ealing as a shopping location.

Peter Chadburn ● 530d

I care because not everybody can exercise the choice I choose to make. Anyway, whatever you choose to opine is immaterial because your opinion is worthless. Do feel free to carry on with your fantasies and visions.

N V Brooks ● 531d

Queues of cars down high street.1) buffoon khan & council phase lights to hold traffic2 ) stupid ltns & no right/left turns mean all vehicles are channeled down a few roads, hence congestion & pollution.They are anti car, same as you pj

Peter Yale ● 531d

You ought to get some education Paul. One of the fundamentals of any business district is to have sufficient range of shops and services to attract people in. That’s something taught to 12 year olds in geography lessons.Ealing has diminished its offer in comparison to other places, which is why people opt to go elsewhere. It doesn’t matter how convenient a local centre is, if it doesn’t provide what people need they won’t go there.And complaining about people driving there is plain silly. As pointed out to you, if you buy a large volume of goods or have bulky items most people would struggle to get them home on public transport or a bike (and don’t blest on about cargo bikes because they are used by an even tinier minority than regular bikes). I suppose you think these shoppers could get taxis or use hire cars, but that would generate as much traffic as using their own vehicles and be less convenient.Look up Zipfs law, the principle of least effort. Applies to everything humans do, and particularly shopping. Make going to Ealing more difficult without making it a more attractive destination and people won’t bother. The obvious alternative for many is internet shopping.

Simon Hayes ● 531d

What do you care Nigel, you go shopping somewhere else because you don't like Ealing!?

Paul James ● 531d

Oh God forbid and area should be popular, so popular that people wish to use their cars to get there. It must cause you apoplexy If it does, so much the better.

N V Brooks ● 532d

But none of it is pedestrianised.The thing that makes it a pain to drive there is too many people driving there from what I can see. The long slow queue of people in cars down the high street on Saturday is a constant feature.

Paul James ● 532d

Probably can’t drive there or park very easily.Makes it difficult to get shopping home

Peter Yale ● 532d

How about using your local shopping centre if you want it to do well?

Paul James ● 532d

Death knell for Ealing Broadway. Many shops have closed and poor branches of those left. I now go to Westfield or Hammersmith now that IKEA is open.Crazy idea, who thinks up these schemes?

Elizabeth Price ● 534d

For avoidance of doubt. Both Hounslow and Uxbridge town centres are pedestrianised. Both only required the closure of one through road but more than adequate alternative provision to access the town centre or bypass it completely was planned into the design. Uxbridge after dark is still busy with restaurants and nightclubs and many of the shops open quite late. Hounslow, on the other hand, is an absolute hellhole that I would not venture into.

N V Brooks ● 536d

Here’s a reason why public transport is so crap & I prefer to drive.I precooked a South West train from Syon Lane to Weybridge, direct Leaving  12:55.At Syon, no staff anywhere. Info board shows next 2 trains Waterloo.They now been & gone!!!!Next train 13:17 to Waterloo (it’s now 12:47)Where’s my train???Help point gets through to transport police.I now have to wait & get a later train, change & turn up late.That jamesy is why I prefer want & should drive

Peter Yale ● 536d

Nigel, you said about Uxbridge"It is pleasant, but of course was purpose built rather than trying to cobble together an existing centre by pedestrianising it."And then you said :"The High Street was pedestrianised Paul ":D :D :DOh dear!

Paul James ● 536d

Yes, why post a video about a different place? Very strange. But then linear argument has never been your thing Paul. Pick and choose.As Nigel said, Ealing has no capacity for rerouting traffic. Uxbridge Road/ Broadway is a main arterial route for through traffic, so making it more congested by closing other roads around it doesn’t make sense. It won’t be pleasant up there anyway for a few years if and when the Perceval House and British Land developments get started. It’s been a building site for years anyway with Dickens Yard and then Filmworks. Then you wonder why air quality and congestion might be less than ideal.

Simon Hayes ● 536d

paul james doesn’t need a car, he is so against them he’s relinquished his license.Bike & public transport only

Peter Yale ● 536d

I thought that we were talking about Hounslow that you have posted a video of Uxbridge. Full vehicular access to Uxbridge town centre has been maintained albeit directly into car parks rather than through traffic. That said, more than adequate provision exists with the construction of new relief roads to bypass the town centre which would not be the case in Ealing as there is simply no room to build these.

N V Brooks ● 536d

Over twenty years ago and it was really only one road. The High Street was pedestrianised Paul but two more relief roads were built/upgraded to simply take the displaced through traffic. Sadly this coincided with major stores, M&S and C&A pulling out and leaving the eastern end a tawdry selection of pound shops.

N V Brooks ● 536d

The video is from Uxbridge Simon.Nigel has been saying how lovely it is, and then I find out it's been pedestrianised! :D

Paul James ● 536d

Your utopia.I was in Derby for a concert last week.They closed the road so traffic can’t turn in.No parking, all disabled. Consequently no deliveries etc.The outer ri g road absolutely gridlocked as nowhere to go.Ridiculous & ruining livelihoods

Peter Yale ● 536d

The traffic problems in Hounslow are well known. The changes haven’t improved things.But you keep on with your utopian fantasies.

Simon Hayes ● 536d

Eh, I see this was all added recently, so it wasn't built like this, the roads were pedestrianised recently, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubIpSeeJBc0

Paul James ● 536d

yeah, that's not my position, it's your made-up version of what my position is!No wonder you're so angry!

Paul James ● 536d

It becomes a ghost town when the Treaty Centre and the shops close. It is no coincidence that Hounslow police station remained open and sits virtually at the heart of the pedestrianised area. I find it a very threatening place after dark.

N V Brooks ● 536d

I worked in Hounslow for a while and it’s not great, especially at night.

Simon Hayes ● 536d

Let’s clarify your position.Every comment you make is anti car.Anti traffic choked - , you mean congestion?Polluting vehicles?Don’t want cars down your road, hence police checks, or rather you pretending to be a policeman!In favour of ltns, even though they cause congestion & pollution, as I proved. Not in your area though.Never see any cyclists commit traffic offences, want millions ££££ spent on infrastructure you won’t use.Hypocritical at the highest level.You drive so contribute to some or all of above.You clearly need or want to drive as most of the rest of us do.Give up your license & use public transport or a bike as you try to dictate or force on us all

Peter Yale ● 536d

It is pleasant, but of course was purpose built rather than trying to cobble together an existing centre by pedestrianising it. That experiment has failed dismally in Hounslow which by day time is an acceptable shopping area but by night because of no passing traffic is a horrible crime ridden area that I would not suggest that anyone even considered entering.

N V Brooks ● 536d

Which includes yours.Give your license up

Peter Yale ● 536d

I'm anti-traffic choked car sewers Peter!

Paul James ● 536d

& you’re not anti car!!!!!!!

Peter Yale ● 536d

I might give Uxbridge a go Nigel, it sounds nice.I was at Hounslow High Street recently (which I remember being a traffic choked car sewer) and was pleasantly surprised to find it's been pedestrianised with "motor vehicles prohibited" signs at several key junctions. Is Uxbridge the same?

Paul James ● 536d

Fortunately, that pillock will be out of a job in 2024. The people of Uxbridge deserve better than BoJo.

N V Brooks ● 538d

I’m surprised Uxbridge’s local MP, a notorious cycling fantasist, hasn’t campaigned to have the parking there removed.

Simon Hayes ● 538d

Oxbridge is not an out of town shopping centre Paul in fact it is in the heart of the town centre. It is simply in a town centre operated by an enlightened Council which recognises that shoppers have a choice. I don't expect you to understand commercial reality but Ealing is being killed literally by greedy landlords and the belief that the only thing people who live there want to do is eat out out.

N V Brooks ● 538d

TfL is crippled Paul. Yes, income dried up and a proper funding settlement from the government should be forthcoming because London is the main driver of the UK economy. But spanking cash on schemes barely anybody uses isn’t a credible way of going about things. Cycling is a minority leisure activity and always will be. That’s not defeatist Paul, that’s realism.It’s also struggling to control the unions. Tube and bus strikes are a regular occurrence despite Sadiq Khan’s empty promise of zero strike days when he was first campaigning to be mayor. There are recruitment problems and staff sickness problems. Incredibly, they even still have leaves on the line problems. They can’t run services in very cold weather or when it’s very hot.You don’t seem to know much about how transport networks manage. They have to be properly maintained and invested in. Building an over budget line from Reading hasn’t mitigated problems on the Piccadilly or other lines. There was a culture of complacency for decades, to the extent that there were signal boxes from the 1920s being used on certain lines as late as 2012. That’s why money spent on cycle lanes would be better used to improve public transport. It carries more people further and with greater economic benefits.You don’t understand the difference between inner London and outer London. If TfL ask a 20 something in Hoxton what their transport priorities are the answer will be different to that of a 40 something in Ealing. Work, families, etc, all play a part in determining transport needs. Just because you live a particularly niche life doesn’t mean most others do. TfL and local authorities are notorious for fixing their surveys to get the responses they want. You cried about gaming over LTN surveys, yet turn s blind eye to them when it suits you.You seem to think London is some sort of homogeneous entity, when it really isn’t. It’s a vast agglomeration and movement has always been a key component of its success. Simply saying Ealings amenities should improve is a stupid thing to say. It’s been in decline for 30 years and that was accelerated by the opening of Westfield. People will always go to where the best range of things is situated. That’s because of choice, Paul.

Simon Hayes ● 538d

The problem is because you’re anti car with TfL muppets.Give up your license

Peter Yale ● 538d

>TfL is really struggling Paul. Do you not see that? Struggling with what? Money? Well quite, that's what happens when you lose your income steam overnight.>Clearly you don’t use public transport enough to notice the problemsI use it all the time Simon, yet more stuff you're making up about me to suit your own argument.>Just because TfL is putting cycling infrastructure in doesn’t mean it’s ‘doing well’. That’s your jaundiced view.It's not my view, you're making your own arguments up again Simon>and won’t expand to the levels you think it will. It really won’t.Defeatist attitude there Simon!>You say you want choice in how they move around, except that you don’t. Yes I do. I want there to a be a choice for more people no to have to use a car. Many want to do this it's clear, again though you're judging others by your own yardstick.>Ealing doesn’t have an even distribution of great amenities.And that needs to change too. Driving to out of town shopping centres (in Nigel's case, Uxbridge) is not helping the local economy or society. That's cars doing that for you.You also said earlier most people drive THROUGH Ealing and whilst I'm not sure that's the case that's a problem too.

Paul James ● 538d

You don’t want a car. Give up your license & only cycle or use public transport.Hold on, you wanted a car for Richmond (which you avoided answering & cherrypicked for weeks).hypocriteYou’re anti car, look at your replies & what others say to you.Do keep up, think

Peter Yale ● 538d

TfL is really struggling Paul. Do you not see that? Clearly you don’t use public transport enough to notice the problems. There were bus strikes on Friday. Nice for the people who can’t get to or from work.Just because TfL is putting cycling infrastructure in doesn’t mean it’s ‘doing well’. That’s your jaundiced view. They could have improved accessibility for all stations with the budgets spent on cycle lanes. Everyone would benefit from that. They are removing bus lanes to accommodate bike lanes. Very sensible, eh?People waving from bikes is just fantasy. I don’t hate the idea, there’s you making stuff up now. People greet others they know but not every random stranger, on a bike or not. Usual nonsense fantasy from you.You said once to me on this forum that I would ‘enjoy living in an LTN’. Well, I didn’t and nor did thousands of others in Ealing. You don’t live in one, and don’t seem in any hurry to get one put in. I wonder why? If the aim is to force people to either give up their cars or use them less then the authorities should be honest about that. But they aren’t and they are not giving people genuine info or unbiased consultation on anything. It’s all bike, bike, bike. The proportion of London’s residents who cycle is tiny and won’t expand to the levels you think it will. It really won’t.You don’t understand choice Paul. You say you want choice in how they move around, except that you don’t. You want them to accept your version of choice. But life is more nuanced than you imagine. Schooling, healthcare, leisure activities, everything is a personal choice. Making life more difficult to exercise that choice, by making access more difficult, isn’t a positive.Ealing doesn’t have an even distribution of great amenities. Some areas are miles from certain things. It’s one of the fundamental drawbacks of the supposed 15 minute city that keeps being mooted. Closing roads and removing parking space doesn’t make it easier for people to use things, does it? Only a utopian fantasist believes London will see an equitable spread of housing, amenities, employment opportunities and everything else people need to make life work. Even the academic studies admit that there will be social cleansing as a result of this concept being implemented.I don’t expect you to understand these points Paul. That’s beyond you, clearly.

Simon Hayes ● 538d

I don't want a car Peter.I use one if I really need to.I ask again, where did you get the idea I own a car?I seriously wonder about your comprehension abilities if anything I've ever said gave you that notion!

Paul James ● 538d

People don’t have a choice.Every move the motorists penalised.People need & want cars, paul sadiq james included

Peter Yale ● 538d

All facts.You hate cars, berate them any or every opportunity You are a hypocrite, give up licensePeople need & want cars, EVEN YOU

Peter Yale ● 538d

>No Paul, that’s not how it works. ‘People waving from bikes’. How old are you? Six?I can see you hate the idea of this, what a surprise! >You are a misanthrope. You dislike anyone who doesn’t share your narrow agenda. Simon, you're talking about yourself, can't you see that?>Seriously, have you talked to the people in your street who own cars that you don’t think they should be allowed to have them?I don't think this though. I think you're gauging my thought processes along the lines of your own here. I am not you Simon Hayes.>What you simply cannot understand is that people like to have choice. Making stuff up again.I want people to have a choice about how they move around.>It’s a fundamental building block of democratic society. You and your little band of zealots simply want to deny that choice. You've made something up and then replied to it yourself. You're arguing with yourself Simon.>It’s your way or no way. Those countries where that happens are the ones you bleeding heart liberals condemn. Russia, China and all the other states where thinking is centralised and controlled.Making stuff up again and then going off on a conspricacyloon rant.>Do you really think TfL will ‘make things better’ *cough* Elizabeth Line! :D>for people who have their cars removed? Removed?>No chance. They can’t run things now. Strikes. Poor service. No services in some areas. The offer of a travel card? Hilarious. Only a fantasist would seriously believe TfL is capable of making things better.TfL could do better as could government and local authorities yes, but TfL is already doing quite well.

Paul James ● 538d

All incorrect Peter.Try again :D

Paul James ● 538d

No Paul, that’s not how it works. ‘People waving from bikes’. How old are you? Six?You are a misanthrope. You dislike anyone who doesn’t share your narrow agenda. Seriously, have you talked to the people in your street who own cars that you don’t think they should be allowed to have them?What you simply cannot understand is that people like to have choice. It’s a fundamental building block of democratic society. You and your little band of zealots simply want to deny that choice. It’s your way or no way. Those countries where that happens are the ones you bleeding heart liberals condemn. Russia, China and all the other states where thinking is centralised and controlled.Do you really think TfL will ‘make things better’ for people who have their cars removed? No chance. They can’t run things now. Strikes. Poor service. No services in some areas. The offer of a travel card? Hilarious. Only a fantasist would seriously believe TfL is capable of making things better.You must use some very powerful medication.

Simon Hayes ● 538d

You are so anti car.Hate anyone using one, want everyone to cycle use public transport.Won’t accept that anyone else (but you) needs or wants a car

Peter Yale ● 538d

Why would I give up my driving licence? I use a car occasionally, and I'm not saying nobody should be able to drive.You're not comprehending this at all are you?

Paul James ● 538d

Your drive from Richmond.So are you going to give up your license?????Lead by example?

Peter Yale ● 538d

And you calling me a misanthrope because I want to see more human streets with more people waving at each other from bikes, more people using more local shops, and less people growling at each other when stuck behind the wheel of a car is hilarious.

Paul James ● 538d

>What am I making up about you Paul?Everything and anything Simon.>Oh Paul, you are a misanthrope. I think you're talking about yourself there Simon. I'm not the one screaming over population and being nasty to others the way you are.>Why do you so despise your neighbours? I don't. I suspect you might, you're talking about yourself again Simon, projecting I think?>You really have no concept of the real world at allIn the real-world authorities from government to local councils are talking about reducing car use and doing stuff so it happens. It's you that can't see this or accept it.>So taxing people out of thrust cars is the right thing to do? The tax applied to driving and car production/ownerships etc... should be commensurate with the costs. It's simply not at the moment.>Only a twit like you doesn’t realise that those who can afford it will continue to drive.And TfL will use the money to make things better for those that can't afford to drive or don't wish to.>You’ll be long dead before private car use ends. Private car use is never going to end, people have been using wheeled vehicles for thousands of years and will continue to do so.>Probably choked on your righteous indignation. It's you who are demonstrating this Simon, you're talking about yourself again.>That, or crushed under the weight of your hubris....and again.

Paul James ● 538d

I don't own a car Peter, where did you get that incorrect information from?

Paul James ● 538d

Paul sadiq james you are anti car.You have the hypocrisy to bemoan them at any opportunity, yet you own & drive one!!!!!Why???You apparently cycle, so why can’t you always do so??I suspect like many others here you will have a similar reason for wanting one.TfL & the council, along with cycling lobby try & force their way or nothingPromote, it’s bullying.Start with your own backyard, get rid of your drivers license.Cycle & collect goods, go to a function in a suit on your bike.Help a friend do diy, bung the ladder & tools in a bag.Cherrypick what you see & ignore my challenge to dump your car

Peter Yale ● 539d

What am I making up about you Paul?

Simon Hayes ● 539d

Paul is an absolutist (his current pet word). Absolutely against anyone who disagrees with him.The problem he and his cronies never consider is the consequences of what they propose. As Raymond rightly points out, the current mania to curtail car use will cause severe economic hardship for many. There are reasons why cycling utopias don’t exist, mainly because they don’t benefit anyone but a handful of well- heeled ‘liberals’.Seriously, try living on the breadline for a while and see where your trendy values take you.

Simon Hayes ● 539d

Paul. My car is a private car. Taxed as a private car.  Not once has anyone ever asked me what I use my car for. Except for my insurance for which I pay a higher rate premium.The TfL surveys are simply vehicle counts. That does not reveal what, who or why. They create statistics based on modelling and supposition not fact.Millions have to use a car to make a living. I am just one. But it cannot be done another way. If it could I would done it a long time ago and save myself £thousands.Not once have you come up with a single suggestion of how to address this without causing poverty and discrimination between those who have and those who just get by>So over to you.

Raymond Havelock ● 539d

More nonsense and made-up stuff about me from you Simon.

Paul James ● 539d

Oh Paul, you are a misanthrope. Why do you so despise your neighbours? You really have no concept of the real world at all. So taxing people out of thrust cars is the right thing to do? Only a twit like you doesn’t realise that those who can afford it will continue to drive.You’ll be long dead before private car use ends. Probably choked on your righteous indignation. That, or crushed under the weight of your hubris.

Simon Hayes ● 539d

That s a lot of words Raymond, but when I say "too many cars" I'm talking about private car use, not use of vehicles for work purposes, so a complete mishit from you there.And they do survey car use, it's one of TfLs statutory requirements and is undertaken yearly.

Paul James ● 539d

Yes, it's very obvious common sense, which the majority understand, but something the very minority cycling lobby don't understand because they have one myopic brain cell between all of them.  😆

Rosco White ● 539d

My husband at 83 is long retired. But his job as an electronics engineer at Twickenham involved him in carting around industrial cabling, 2 industrial sized tool boxes plus the rest of it. The concept of getting that onto a bus or bike is absurd. There’s plenty around just like him.

Bettina Margaret Thwaite ● 539d

Very well put.FYI Paul, I need a car to do my job. As do hundreds of thousands of others locally, and millions across the region. A lot of traffic in Ealing comes from outside London m, commuting in or bringing in goods and services. What do you suggest they do? Walk? Cycle? Perhaps some big barriers across the A4, A50 and all the other arterial routes?Simply forcing London’s residents to walk or cycle everywhere doesn’t work for a lot of people. We’ve been through this before, but your lack of understanding of anybody else’s needs or priorities makes you a bigot. Just like the rest of the LCC. I’d suggest you are the nasty bully boys in this scenario.

Simon Hayes ● 539d

I'm pretending nothing Paul your general demeanour and obsessive attitude masks whatever tiny iota of sensible suggestion you may have. Of course people get the a****** with you because you come across as an obsessive petty little man.

N V Brooks ● 539d

Nigel, I know there are people such as yourself that have mobility issues and need to use a car. Stop trying to pretend I'm not aware of that.You don't _choose_ to use a car over another form of getting around, you have to really and there are many people in the same boat. Fewer cars out and about would help people such as yourself (and in many ways), this can't be hard to see?

Paul James ● 539d

Ah, stage four of the Paul James response. "You're all being nasty to me". I choose, for reasons of mobility issues and disability to base my transport needs on a car as public transport is inaccessible and a bike not even a choice. My choice, get over it and grow up man.

N V Brooks ● 539d

You clearly have never needed a vehicle to make a living, carry equipment either prohibited on public transport ( and if you read that list it is longer than one would imagine) or too bulky or easy to carry.Nor ever worked unsocial hours.The entire economy of this island is transport reliant. Without it it cannot support 60 million plus people.Already it's shortcomings are a major part of this countries inability to compete and accommodate a better quality of life for all.  It's actually going the other way.The shrinkage in Local employment of acceptable incomes and reasonable quality , along with affordable viable operating locations is huge and almost non existent.  End result? People have to travel more and further.  Working from home is never going to be a mass means. It will eventually lead to most of these occupations being surplus to requirements for the lack of actual productivity.Fact is Paul, you, and everybody else have no idea what people actually use their cars for on a day to day basis as this has not been surveyed, just modelled on assumptions.TfL, The Mayor and Local Authorities have relied on instigation policies based on commissioned clients who say what they want to hear.Then other £millions wasted these almost always fail.For the last 50 years school age children have not all gone to the local school at the bottom of the road. Choice was added to the mix along with cultural requirements.  Some go miles often still with no choice, some even further. If they are lucky a parent going to work might go the same way and drop them off en route.You have parents temporarily renting homes to get their kids into a catchment area. Then they move back and said children have to be driven or spend and age travelling to school.That's the real Britain. Largely because of a neglected and half baked transport network that has never really accommodated population growth or the fact that working class people should be allowed to travel anywhere.'Too many Cars' is the result of those shackled demographics being liberated and free to work elsewhere.  So what do you actually advocate? How exactly can these car drivers make a living en masse without being forced in to 15 hour days getting around?Others spend hours on the bus or train.  And some are home in 5 mins by by or on foot. But it is not and cannot be the same. And with overdensification and not even a proviso factored in for infrastructure to support such policy, this will continue to increase.Assumptions are being made, but the solutions are not helping, rather destroying peoples livelihoods - and it's always the less well off and resourced who get affected.When your stuck rhetoric of 'Too Many cars' is coupled to 'Too Many people' you may have a point.

Raymond Havelock ● 539d

It's one most people agree with, including yourself.Sadly, for some, the things we clearly need to do to resolve it get chucked aside when they realise that they involve changes to their car-based lifestyles, and they can get very nasty and angry, Simon, Nigel, and Peter.

Paul James ● 539d

Too many cars. That’s a pretty absolutist statement.

Simon Hayes ● 540d

>Your post stated that you wanted more bikes and LTNs and MORE SHARED CAR CLUBS!Yes all of those, but again, I'm not anti car, your basic premise is wrong which I suspect is part of the reason as to why you get so abusive and nasty.People own cars I know this, but car clubs can help people that don't own cars, and even people that DO own cars if they feel that their car use is so low they could switch to a car club car.I'm not suggesting everybody switches to a car club car as you are implying.Again you are only dealing in absolutes, and life isn't like that

Paul James ● 540d

The only biting thing Paul is your bleat about too many cars.Your post stated that you wanted more bikes and LTNs and MORE SHARED CAR CLUBS! Now, if there’s 350,000 people in Ealing and they all wanted easy access to car club vehicles they will demand more and more of them so they are available when they want to use one. No point wanting to do something and not having access because of supply shortage.There are lots of Zipcars left all over Ealing now as the council did a secret deal to allow that company’s vehicles to be parked in any CPZ in the borough. No consultation with the residents on this. They park badly and are often driven badly. Not making the roads safer or less cluttered.I don’t see how I can be making things up about you Paul when you say them yourself.My position is not untenable. You just don’t like other people who might not agree with you. That’s when you either disengage or start complaining of bullying/misrepresentation/making things up.

Simon Hayes ● 540d

You're misrepresenting what I said and what I think again Simon.I know you have to do this because your position is totally untenable in today's world, but it does get a bit boring!

Paul James ● 540d

Really? Making stuff up?So your solution to ‘Too many cars’ that involved bicycles and last mile deliveries by bike and using car clubs was not what you really think then? We’re you making that up?

Simon Hayes ● 540d

Yes Paul as an option, something that you appear to wish to deny others with your, frankly tedious "too many cars" mantra. Car use is diminishing, open your eyes

N V Brooks ● 540d

You're making stuff up about what I say and think again Simon!

Paul James ● 540d

Your exact words" It is 20-minutes to Uxbridge with plentiful car parking "And I ask what would happen if everybody with a car in ealing did what you suggest and drove to Uxbridge where there is "plenty of parking".What would happen?

Paul James ● 540d

No, I've stated everybody is driving, nobody is getting the bus or the train, everybody is driving.You advised people to "drive to Uxbridge where there is plenty of parking"

Paul James ● 540d

Do you practice being dim Paul or does it come naturally?Yes, we’ve had the argument before but if you put more people into a place there will be more traffic. Whether that’s cars or vans or bikes, it will be busier.While Ealing and other councils try to force car free development the truth is that the pricier ones always end up with parking included, otherwise they’d never shift the flats to the only people who can afford them.Even if your loony idea of relying on hire cars was implemented you’d still need thousands of them on the roads to meet the demand in a borough this size. People like their personal freedom, strangely enough, and not everyone feels the need to have that on a bike.The crux of this is that it’s not illegal to own and drive a car. You should be pushing for a law to ban private car ownership in the UK, because that’s the only way to legally stop people owning them. Of course, being a woke leftie you have zero understanding of anyone’s needs but your own.The Netherlands is often cited as a model of bicycle enlightenment yet car ownership and usage there has gone up substantially despite all the cycling infrastructure in place. Here’s some reading for you.http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2019/08/the-car-free-myth-netherlands-is-great.html?m=1

Simon Hayes ● 540d

You are assuming that they all go by car, how silly. Bus and tube routes are good. By car avoid Southall and its stupid restrictions any day of the week and go via the A4 or A40. There in 20 minutes even on a Saturday.

N V Brooks ● 540d

Nigel, if everybody in Ealing drove to Uxbridge of a Saturday nobody would get there, people would have to turn back after sitting in a traffic jam for six hours...

Paul James ● 540d

Yes, the shops in Uxbridge would continue to thrive and Ealing would be even less of a 'destination' than it is now. You need to look at the low number of voids in Uxbridge town centre and compare it to the continual turnover in Ealing. Some of the High Street units have been vacant for months.

N V Brooks ● 540d

Can you imagine if EVERYBODY IN EALING did that in a car Nigel? :D

Paul James ● 540d

Plenty of towns in, as example, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire when you don't need a car and where the cycling infrastructure has been built to co-exist alongside the need for people to drive Paul. Simply imposing a reduction of road space is never going to work in major cities. Yes, I can see what is happening in London. An over densification of building and a transport agenda being driven by a blinkered minority who have no idea how 24 hour cities work.

N V Brooks ● 540d

>If you don't like it, move.I don't have to move Nigel. Can't you see what's happening in London?If I moved to the country for instance I'd probably HAVE to buy a car, so no thanks, I'll live somewhere where I don't need to own a car and an agitate to improve it for all of us, including those that really need to use a car to get around.

Paul James ● 540d

That should have read "Chiswick Roundabout" but actually it is now continuous from Kew Bridge.

N V Brooks ● 540d

Open your eyes. There is an almost continuous cycle lane between roundabout and Hammersmith Broadway and no fewer than nine bus routes and three tube lines serving Hammersmith. Has the car traffic evaporated? No it hasn't. Despite your incessant whining people will continue to use their cars, get used to it and learn to live in London with the traffic. If you don't like it, move.

N V Brooks ● 540d

I bet FAR more people turn up to Ealing Broadway NOT in a car than people do in cars.How many car parking spaces has it got? 800? Is that all, in that MASSIVE building? What a waste of space!And the High Street on a Saturday and many other streets including the Uxbridge Road) is just a constant line of idling cars, not very conducive to the shopping experience.

Paul James ● 540d

Again Raymond, you're imagining car traffic as something that doesn't evaporate when you provide better, non car, options for people to get places.

Paul James ● 540d

People <> cars Simon. We've been through this before.

Paul James ● 540d

Firstly bus gates won't work. They fail far too often and in any case comparing with Kingston is crazy. It is a Radial Market town with a ring road. The Shopping sits in a natural ring.Ealing is not . Nor does it have a ring road it has just one through road East- West and an indirect  part North -South routeThe requirement for a key local Bus service which has suffered several pinch points and almost doubled journey times since 1995 is nothing short of insane.If it does get a priority access through then the roads are not pedestrianised and with electric buses being silent a blurring of road and pavement will make the areas lethal.Did somebody collect a fee for such stupid and economically throttling ideas?

Raymond Havelock ● 540d

If I were the company running the 65 bus, I'd be asking the Council if they really want the 65 to stop serving the town centre and station.

Susan Kelly ● 540d

For as much use it is as a shopping centre you may as well turn Ealing Broadway into a giant residential development. It is 20-minutes to Uxbridge with plentiful car parking and a really good mix of chain and independent shops. No point in having super bus and bike lanes in Ealing if there's sod all to buy.

N V Brooks ● 540d

What this donut council of ours doesn't realise is that EB is  no longer a shopping destination. Its four stops on the Central line to Westfield. I'd have thought that they would be better spending our money on getting smaller shops into the area like Chiswick does so well

Peter King ● 540d

‘Too many cars’.Oh dear, Paul. The problem is too many people. And they want to cram even more into the borough.I bet the businesses in Ealing Broadway won’t be supporting these proposals. Judging by the full car park there every weekend most people drive to shop there. They can’t rely on cyclists and pedestrians.

Simon Hayes ● 540d

Too many cars.As for buses, bus gates? Works in Kingston!

Paul James ● 540d

I’m looking at their proposals. At the mo buses go down the High Street and up Bond Street. Where are they supposed to go? I thought the Council were pro public transport amongst other modes of movement. I also overlook Kent Gardens, one road amongst several that on street parking will be banned. Where do these cars go. Much of the houses were built pre car owning era & whilst these residents have concreted over their front gardens to park their cars it still leaves excess cars on the roads. Moreover in all this concreting it leaves no grass for the rain to have a run off thus creating flooding.

Bettina Margaret Thwaite ● 540d

Well said Mr K.It beggars belief, Longfield has the ridiculous can’t turn 1 way in or out.St Leonard’s now queues back to Gordon Rd & is dodgy for pedestrians.Drayton Bridge Rd queues all down Argyle.It’s wrong & they cite to promote walking & cycling.It’s anti car & gets people’s backs up, there’s no consultation (or if cretin khans involved it’s ignored).Basic common sense tells you we need vehicles.I know one fake copper & Lycra luvvie hypocrite who will be delighted though. No names!!!

Peter Yale ● 541d