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Cyclists, like motorists, motorists come in many different types and the ones that like segregated cycle routes tend to be the ones that adhere to the rules of the road and wait patiently at lights. My experience is that compliance is almost total on local segregated lanes.Professional cyclists (that is to say delivery riders not Mark Cavendish) and cycling commuters tend to be more cavalier about the rules.Paul is right that there is a trade off between safety and speed but the point is quite a nuanced one. I attracted alot of abuse on social media for raising it as an issue for Cycleway 9. That quite clearly isn't generating quite the increase in cyclists that TfL are claiming but I argued that this was not necessarily a big problem because it was mainly used by leisure cyclists and commuting cyclists were choosing other routes because the cycleway was slowing their journey. Because cycling commuters will go up and down the cycleway ten times a week and a leisure cyclist maybe only once, total numbers of cyclist in any given day other than the weekend are not going to rise that quickly.My intention was to say that this could be seen as a sign that the cycleway was successful because encouraging broader participation is as important as boosting the absolute number of journeys. However, for the more blinkered advocates of cycling on social media, nuance is not an option. Anybody making a point that could be interpreted as critical of these schemes is immediately seen as an enemy which makes constructive discussion with them impossible. Paul has fallen into this trap by interpreting a perfectly well-intentioned public information announcement as a piece of pro-car propaganda. This attitude alienates a lot of people who are sympathetic to improved cycling infrastructure but recognise that the issues involved are quite complicated and an easy solution is usually a bad one.

Mark Evans ● 1443d

Paul, Theres a big difference between having mandatory signage and markings when they are there for good reason.That primarily is to improve road safety and to mediate traffic flow.But what we have currently is a culture which is contriving to create fineable offences to suit fiscal gain and not actually deal with the real problem by solving it properly.How can to be unsafe for a vehicle to turn left at a marked Give Way junction but still turn right across traffic? How can it be OK for Cyclists or scooter users to use the same junction without looking or cutting across the pavements?The actual data for Longfield Ave was manipulated to suit a policy and desire of a lobbying action group.  But it does not solve the problem.As for no accidents. These are not being collated properly. Stand there at any time of a day and you will see buses in particular sound horns and brake hard at mainly two wheeled riders of all sorts and pedestrians who seem to be completely devoid of any for on kerb drill.If road safety for all users is really the prime objective then it would be prudent to have a camera on the Junction and recored any vehicle that fails to stop at the junction ( which has always been a mandatory give way. or replace the give way with a Stop Line. If you fail to observe those warnings then you get a traffic offence penalty.This of course won't stop a Two wheeled rider but that's where Traffic Police need to be reintroduced and Road regulations enforced for ALL road users.But no. It's all about money. And targeting those who are fully insured, taxed and legally tested to use roads.  And this starts to create contempt and resentment.The same with LTNs, I doubt many would object to all minor single lane roads / residential streets being a 15mph zone and HGVs banned other than for actual deliveries.  But that does not make money.As for the signs on LTN's Changed three times because they were not legal or in the correct positions.From a Cycling point of view roads still with ruts pothole and bumps and poor pavements for pedestrians.And this weeks episodes of just the slightest hiccup show how the vast majority of this nations working people are at the mercy of the transport industry and how frail the infrastructure is and dependent on it all functioning. That affects almost everyone one way or another. No matter how much we dislike it.As usual it all comes down to overpopulation of the planet and so far this is the area most brushed under the sofa.

Raymond Havelock ● 1445d