Religion in the council chamber? NO THANK YOU.Did we all enjoy last week’s Full Council prayer meeting? Region should play no part in politics. It was not on the agenda. We would not have known what happened but for the YouTube relay of the event. How long has this been going on?
Andrew Farmer ● 81d30 Comments
I dont see prayers in a meeting being banned by this goverment. As someone here pointed out they do it in parliament. Which I did not know about. Black Rod Yellow Rod we seem to thrive on ritual.
Nicholas Beard ● 59d
I think the point is that religion causes many more problems than it solves, so there's no place for any of it when conducting public business.
Rosco White ● 59d
You must realise this is a religious country. We had prayers in school. Countries differ for example it would not be allowed in France as religion is not in their constitution. So in council meetings? Why not.
Nicholas Beard ● 60d
Thank you Mr White! I see the discussion thread now; personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the odd hymn (or buddhist chant, or whatever) being sung before, during or after a council meeting. Not to mention the national anthem at the end of the meeting, and perhaps even the likes of Jerusalem sung on particulalry patriotic occasions (like in celebration of England's fine win over the Ukraine).
Waldemar Baran ● 72d
Ah, but you have not comprehended correctly and have missed the point Mr Baran, it's not what Mr Farmer is saying.Mr Farmer's point is not about the freedom of saying prayers, it's that "Prayers" (of any Religion) should not be a part of Council conducting its Meetings.And I agree with him.He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll be answering on here soon himself. 😊
Rosco White ● 72d
Mr Farmer, I am intrgued as to which cold-war nuclear bunker in Siberia you have recently emerged from to hold so ancient and out-dated and un-inclusive and intolerant a view. In the U.K. (unlike the era of Stalin - where you down there underground out of contact with the world since then?) we have a Human Rights Act that allows us to take the higher moral principles of faith and belief and sprituality and manifest them in our speechses and dicussions and in the decisions that we make to vote, so to quote the U.K. Human Rights Act:1Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.Human Rights Act 1998 - Legislation.gov.uk
Waldemar Baran ● 73d
If you object to prayers then this seems to be a good way to draw attention and call for changes - starting with parliament.I totally agree about the mobile phones.
Philippa Bond ● 74d
Rosco - why don't you direct your ANGER at those in the HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT! It is obviously a longstanding tradition.
Philippa Bond ● 76d
Almost like it's a deliberate move to wind up residents.They'll be kneeling next. I'm not joking.WHEN will this Council understand and get it through their thick skulls that their ONLY business is to RUN the Council, and provide SERVICES.These Political and Religion motivated moves and gestures are NOTHING to do with running a Council.
Rosco White ● 76d
John Dickinson ● 76d
What might be better is a five minute session of abuse at the start, where the councillors can get all their name calling and petty point scoring out of the way, then conduct the meetings like mature adults.Going on my experience of council meetings there’s better behaviour, and more attention paid, at a chimpanzee tea party.They should also ban using mobile phones during meetings.
Simon Hayes ● 78d
How about five minutes of private personal reflection? However sadly I suspect that is open to abuse.
Philippa Bond ● 78d
I think we can all agree that the Jedi-isation of Ealing Council and the Islamisation of Ealing Council are two things we need to be equally vigilant about.
Andy Jones ● 78d
Mr Jones,Your contributuion was amusing. But is it not time for the children to put their Star Wars toys away and address the topic of this post? It is the islamisation of Ealing Council?
Andrew Farmer ● 79d
The Empire strikes back. On the 2011 census 390,000 declared they were Jedi Knights. Sadly this had dropped to 177,000 on the 2011 census. The force was not with them.
N V Brooks ● 79d
Vincent, I am reliably informed that the prayers said before the meeting are not Muslim prayers but Jedi ones. If you follow the video of the meeting you will hear a member of the Highways Department say 'These are not the cones you are looking for' and then everyone nods in agreement.
Andy Jones ● 79d
Prayers before council meetings! What?! And why only Muslim prayers?! And what have prayers of any kind got to do with council business whether they are on or off council agendas?As faiths continue to decline in favour of modern secularism what is Ealing Council’s justification for bucking a worldwide trend? Why introduce religious irrelevancies and complications into local politics? Because that is what has happened.First, where did the idea of prayers originate? Was it handed down by dictat by Mason or was the idea already in place? If it came from Mason or another did they canvas opinion from councillors? And why only Muslim prayers? And what about councillors of no religious persuasion who find reference to deities deeply offensive? It’s not enough to say, in response to the latter, that attendance is not compulsory. That misses a fundamental point. Prayers should not be there in the first place if they institutionalize a religious dimension in local politics which secularists find repugnant. That offends a secularist’s human rights.Let’s ask Mason – did you ask councillors about the introduction of prayers before council meetings? Or did the idea originate elsewhere? Can we see the relevant email? Can you tell us how many responses were received? And how was a non-response from a councillor interpreted? Also, was it made clear that the introduction of Islamic prayers only was proposed?
vincent paul wrigley ● 79d
Parliament starts each day with a brief prayer (around 30 seconds) attendance is voluntary. Is does not have a faith leader (prayers in The Lord's are even shorter but are led by a Lord Spiritual) unlike Ealing council meetings which seem to be a slimmed down service with council business attached.
N V Brooks ● 81d