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Simon  You mention rights but you don't mention responsibilities.  Life isn't just about laws.People do complain about cyclists on the pavements but perhaps think no further or don't do anything except moan.  When the cyclists are adults or children big and small speeding it does bother pedestrians.  It is definitely safer not to be out and about around school's out time if you are at all dodgy on your feet.I haven't found anything to say that children must be 11 before they are allowed to cycle on the road either as Raymond keeps stating in his posts.  Possibly it was just something you did when you started attending secondary school. Just as some children may go on the tube or bus or walk home by themselves today.  Unfortunately many nowadays are picked up and dropped off by car.With some of the lack of personal responsibility that is shown by some motorists particularly regarding speed and others road users I am not surprised.  Are you saying that unless something is strictly regulated then it can be ignored?  Does that therefore mean therefore that you are advocating civil disobedience?Raymond does say that he has tried out some of the new electric bicycles whereas you just seem to be railing against everything different or any change to your routine.Lots of the previous generations did cycle to school but many fewer children are now.  Cluttering up our roads in particular with parked cars but also with unnecessary short journeys is making that more difficult.BTW I don't shop from Amazon on principle and have railed against and complained in the past against their overpackaging.  They have an online facility to give feedback on their packaging but people probably don't bother enough.  Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall said on his programme that they were the company he got the most complaints about. France still has bookshops in their high streets employing people because they took action so that Amazon couldn't undercut in the same way that they have been allowed to do here by the free marketeers.  We could have done the same here.

Philippa Bond ● 1193d

And how many miles a week do you cycle Philippa.Like many eco warriors you only see the part of the picture that interests you.It’s not financially viable for lots of people to give up their cars, diesel or no diesel. The scrappage scheme is derisory, especially for people who have diesel vans they use for business. Those margins are getting tighter every week at the moment.It’s not even cars that are the problem, it’s the large diesel vehicles including all the heavy plant chugging out fumes on the multitude of building sites across the capital. Mayor Khan was supposed to have clamped down on that but, surprise surprise, hasn’t.But aside from the fact that cycling isn’t an option for many people you’d also need to completely restructure the nature of society. Easier said than done, particularly since many of the services people use aren’t easily reached by bike or walking.Are you suggesting that my 78 year old neighbour, who has erious health issues, should cycle to his hospital appointments in Hammersmith? Or maybe he should shuffle up to the Tube instead.The pollution problem is overstated by the lobbyists, but there are things that should have been done sooner, such as making all the bus fleets run on clean fuel. I believe there’s more than a decade until that goal is reached.Maybe TfL needs to put its own house in order before dictating to the little people. I note that Sadiq Khan travels by armoured 4x4, not a great message to send out.

Simon Hayes ● 1196d

Simon.  No lost plots here.  Just pointing out that it is nothing unusual and in fact we have been warned about it for quite some time.  Oxford happens to be going further.  They announced that they would some time ago too. TfL has set up a scrappage scheme.  It offers up to £2000 to scrap an old diesel but is open only to residents on benefits.  Full details here: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/car-and-motorcycle-scrappage-scheme Just to remind you Govt having been heavily lobbied by oil companies and petrolheads failed to achieve re air pollution reduction and passed the job onto the Mayor of London.  UK Govt actually lobbied the EU to reduce the figures so that the high UK figures would not seem so bad.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/26/uk-tried-to-block-tougher-eu-car-emissions-testshttps://www.euractiv.com/section/climate-environment/news/uk-lobbying-for-even-weaker-eu-air-pollution-laws-leaked-papers-showhttps://www.desmog.co.uk/2020/10/05/revealed-lobby-groups-backed-big-brands-fighting-against-air-pollutionUK Govt was taken to Court several times and lost re the dreadful air pollution that they have done little about.https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/news/uk-government-loses-third-air-pollution-case-as-judge-rules-air-pollution-plans-unlawful/Oh and this Govt has announced that it intends to ban the sale of both diesel and petrol new cars by 2030.https://www.intelligenttransport.com/transport-news/111719/uk-to-ban-sales-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030-in-zero-emissions-bid/Lots of people are changing the way they travel.  They've discovered that they no longer want to commute in the way that they have been and want a better work:life balance and are looking for better and cleaner alternatives.  So - don't look at bikes as going backwards because they have changed and there are a lot of alternative types.https://bikeability.org.uk/https://wheelsforwellbeing.org.uk/ 

Philippa Bond ● 1196d

Why the ongoing obsession with bicycles and cycling? It’s not the only method of living a healthy life.Lots of people like playing football, but I don’t see any campaigning for building more football facilities across the borough. As it is a lot of participants have to drive to existing pitches. How about the council committing to putting a nice all-weather pitch in every neighbourhood in Ealing.Or swimming? Our enlightened leaders have permanently closed Gurnell, which was used by thousands of people every week, including a lot of schools with kids for whom it was their first and only experience of swimming. There’s no chance of a replacement pool on that site for years, certainly not before the private tower blocks have gone up there first.Cycling has its place but it’s not the answer. Even the halfwits on this site who advocate the banning of cars on Ealing’s roads occasionally find they have a need to drive. Does that make them hypocrites? Or is it simply that they are utilising a tool that many others find makes their lives easier and better and assists their economic activity.Here’s a thought. If everyone who advocates the instant reduction of traffic vowed never to drive a vehicle themselves, or use delivery companies  (and van journeys are the biggest contributor to increased traffic in London), then we might see a big reduction in vehicle numbers on our roads without having to constantly demonise and criminalise law-abiding and tax paying car owners.

Simon Hayes ● 1202d

Philippa,All very admirable, but it's an idealist dreamworld. I would prefer much of that.Real life for most is just not like this. Many people of different demographics are now struggling to make a living, pay ever increasing bills plus all sorts of stealth charges and working very long hours.  A great many work very unsocial hours. Not that we notice them.When the pandemic ends, it will be very much harder for a great many more. The safety nets for many will be gone.It is an urban commercial city, still being overpopulated and it is very obvious that all this idealistic stuff only really works if you are reasonably affluent and in a white collar job or fortunate enough to not have to work full time or travel far.The next generation of pensioners will not enjoy the final salaries and decent pensions, and the generation behind that even less.It seems to have escaped many purveying all this that Ealing is actually quite hilly.  Dismissed by the highly politicised LCC as a 'Myth'.   As  lifelong local cyclist, I have never managed to overcome this. It's no myth. This really is a limiter unless on a very specialised or expensive lightweight bike. Bikes that are generally unsuitable for urban road and day to day use. Just like a  Ferrari is to an Estate car.I have always been fit and active but still am not up to cycling up the slow gradients and steep hills locally without arriving covered in sweat and red faced. As I get older, I know that even this will become unsustainable as joints wear.  It happens to us all sooner or later.I could never do my occupation by bike or trike. That really is only for a very few.Electric bikes are expensive,I've just tried out a couple. quite nice but found both not very weather friendly (lose charge very quickly below 6c) They are also far too stealable and heavy.Most of the damage you mention is done by large vehicles. Oversized refuse vehicles do most kerb damage and have done for several years. The councils rationale for permitting oversized service vehicles is the operating savings exceed the cost of road repairs - and it's another departments problem.It has though always been easy to cycle safely in much of Ealing and Northfields , potholes and unswept roads with rotted leaf slime being the biggest hazards.I'm afraid to say the biggest hazard now are other cyclists who ride without lights, too fast, ignore all road markings, ride on the wrong side of the road and now e-scooterists who also have no lights, wear dark clothes and use pavements and roads in any fashion.Far more dangerous than with motor vehicles as it's the odd idiot driver but a daily event with poor cyclists and scooterists.There is no excuse for this but where is the enforcement? It should not need enforcing, basic common sense should be instinctive. But clearly we have eliminated that from our DNA.

Raymond Havelock ● 1202d

I think all the PAYG bikes eg the Lime/Uber ebike and the Mobike are very heavy presumably to make them more resilient to misuse.  I remember that Mobikes have solid tyres.A friend living elsewhere bought a secondhand ebike so it did not cost him as much.LBE has a scheme where you can trial them too.  Take a look at this website.  Even if you don't use them you may be able to find out some more information from them.https://www.peddlemywheels.com/try-before-you-bikeYou can request a Cyclehoop bikehangar to share in your street - but if space is such a premium that may be difficult.  You then rent a space in it for your bike.With rationing and restrictions in the NHS there are supplements which were once available on prescription but which are no longer.  There is more to the loss of these than just the cost saving to the NHS.  We have also lost the expertise of medical personnel who we trusted to help us negotiate getting older.  We are now bombarded with all sorts of medical remedies and we have to find out what works and works for us.There was an interesting thread about arthritis in hands on the CW4.com website.  There were a lot of votes for Cod Liver Oil something that my grandparents would have used amongst other things.  I know that when my joints have felt rather crunchy I found this worked too but it is a very subjective thing.  You also have to be careful that with all the mixes of supplements out there that you are doubling up and taking too much of something by mistake.

Philippa Bond ● 1214d

Phillips, I've cycled in this district for all my life and on the road since I was 12.  But Ealing Borough is a very hilly place. Its also very leafy and slippery and has every poor road surfaces.  It has never been a cycling utopia.Try riding a delivery bike or a trike. Try doing it in the wet or at night.  When cars became affordable to the great unwashed, much to the disdain of the ruling classes, they could not wait to ditch their bikes. Getting cold, wet and sweat soaked year in year out. It was liberation from employers and freedom hitherto affordable to the few.I cycle all year round, but there are limitations. My work stuff weighs 12KG minimum. It is too heavy and bulky and fragile to safely carry on a bike.  A vehicle is neccessary and my living  is completely reliant of being able to anywhere at anytime.  That is how it is for a great many.And you have to be fit.But above all you have to be able to ride a bike safely. That means obeying road signs, using the road safely and following safety laws and etiquette.It's simply being brushed over and it this rush to ride bikes it has become dangerous to other cyclists and pedestrians. It's not road traffic. Apart from the odd idiot, mother vehicle drivers are tested and laws enforced, right down to lights and wheels being enclosed to protect other road users .This is all being driven by middle class idealists who clearly don't use much more than laptop computer or purely commute to a fixed work location. Clearly in the belief that physical things only happen by a press of a button on an app and it all happens by magic. and doing very nicely from public coffers by cashing in on the current panic trend. A mentality that has led to this whole country being dependent on services, consultants and administrators and not particularly good at any of it. The rest, which is brushed aside is what actually makes a commercial city and nation actually work.Car ownership in the Greater London area is lower than anywhere else in the UK and has been for quite some years. But we still have ( albeit not currently) overcrowded public transport, very poor road networks and very little local quality employment. People have and will have to travel further to work. Not solvable with a 60 million plus population with 10% of the working age now looking at no work at all?

Raymond Havelock ● 1215d

People jealous of the attention given to the promotion of the healthy active transport of cycling are counting the cycles that they see out and about as if that is the number of cyclists and potential cyclist that there are.The biggest excuse given by people for not cycling and for not allowing their children to cycle is that it is too dangerous.  This is because of the number of cars and vans on the road.  Many of those cars and vans are driven by people who can and do cycle too. Funnily enough my FIL and my husband both remember running out to the road when they heard a car's motor.  Those were the days when they both counted the cars on the road.  Cars are convenient and very useful but are also stealing a lot of the independence of the young.  It is strange to hear people talking about not being able to go places which you know are not far from them and they are perfectly capable but they have become unable to think about going and getting anywhere by foot.  It reminds me of the people who seem unable now to get themselves dressed properly to go out to the shops.There isn't space to park or on the roads for everyone to drive a car.  Sure there are workpeople who need to carry tools but then there are also some who can scale down what they are driving or mix and match more.  I've seen a windowcleaner on a bicycle and there are cargo bikes used by ice cream sellers.https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/124299793820?So there are more different types than you think..

Philippa Bond ● 1216d