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March for Europe

Well, Ealing didn't vote out - show your support by turning up and making your views known. Saturday from 11, Hyde Park, near Park Lane/Hilton Hotel - it is not too late to stop this madness.https://peoplesmarch4eu.org/

Urs Esser ● 3070d14 Comments

Respect democracy? The 1975 referendum decided this matter.

Tony Sleep ● 3067d

You are right about the preference Penelope. But this is definitely an ill thought out mess. Somehow we had such power to dictate to the EU according to the press and the few Tory hard liners. But currently the negotiation is for a hard brexit. we could have left but stayed with the customs union but no doubt there would be a fee to be paid!!

Peter Chadburn ● 3067d

This talk of hard or soft is nonsense. We will get the kind of Brexit handed to us by the 27 other countries. We aren't in a position of power and influence here.

Penelope Crocker ● 3067d

To me it is a question of what kind of brexit? Hard and thrown to the wolves or Soft and virtually the same as now? as a Eurosceptic with a managed pension fund and only 4 years to go to retirement i am very concerned with what a hard brexit could mean. the so called trade deals with the US negotiated from a position of weakness would mean the end of the NHS. These are my consequential worries. My job might be ok as most of our customers are abroad but some of our british customers in manufacturing are very worried about their prospects.

Peter Chadburn ● 3067d

I voted out & want UK to leave ASAP. I have suffered years of governments & got on with things. As someone previously wrote accept the democratic decision, all this second vote ^^^^s

Peter Yale ● 3068d

Thanks for reminding me, Dennis. Now, how do I locate my chainsaw and carefully lined up molotov cocktails in my garden shed in the dark? Oh well, might just have to stick to the usual bottle of water and an apple to keep me going :P.

Urs Esser ● 3069d

Anarchists , Socialist Workers Party marching will not derail democracy ! No doubt you marchers will attack a capitalist McDonalds and the police ! If you don't respect our countries democracy move to numerous crime ridden poor countries that do not have it , and see if you can march there deluded lefties !

Dennis Brogan ● 3069d

And herein lays the problem of surrendering parliamentary representation. Before the Wilson referendum the electorate were expected to chose, and give thought to choosing  wisely, the person they considered best able to represent their views in Parliament and take decisions on their behalf.Now that responsibility has been diminished by abrogating it to a referendum, and as in the case of the Irish Republic, the executive asks the question again, in a slightly different form to obtain the decision it requires.As in the case of Article 50 power must return to Parliament and have done for ever with referendum, which are anything but democratic in a parliamentary representative system of government.

Martin C. Harris ● 3069d

I like this new appraoch to votingKeep demanding a new vote until you get want YOU want

Colin Goodman ● 3069d

https://peoplesmarch4eu.org/ indeed. But that was not your thread title. I have corrected it. Some of us have always been able to distinguish Europe from EU.

Graham Weeks ● 3069d

But are they happy. Many Voted for Good reasons given the information they saw and many on a gut feel. But i am sure that the Vilification of people who voted leave as being stupid by some of the remainers is not likely to encourage a change of mind. We have to keep an eye on the Politicians in these negotiations and protest against anything dodgy. Depending upon the next few months i can see that there may be a need to change direction. We will see. But the current state of negotiations does not fill me with hope.

Peter Chadburn ● 3069d

If you ask a divisive question, one half is going to be truly teed off. It should have been 60/40 or we stay as we are. Still, at least 51.9% of those who voted are happy.

Penelope Crocker ● 3069d

As a Eurosceptic Remain Voter i feel that that the campaign on both sides were deeply flawed and lacking in truth and reality. Probably the worst Political campaign ever with little Truth spoken here by anyone. I made my judgement based on what the German's and other EU people were saying at the time. The leave campaign was about Cake and Eat it and the view from across the water said that there was no way this would happen. The question would be whether the people who voted no, also Voted for a Hard Brexit and resultant trade deals that would be bad deals for the British people. Or did they Vote for the Cake and Eat it Out but with access to the Single Market as implied by some Politicians.

Peter Chadburn ● 3070d

So much for respecting The democratic will of the majority!

Rosa Popham ● 3070d