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I think it is a great shame that plastic milk bottle recycling was used to push the change to a circular economy because it has led to a faster end to the doorstep milk delivery system.Supermarkets use milk as a loss leader to entice customers into their stores which makes it more difficult pricewise for the milk companies.  Our obsession with cheap (despite the fact that we probably spend more when just popping out for a pint of milk at the supermarket) as we seem to be blind to the fact that we allow ourselves to be tempted to indulge and over-indulge whilst there. Heavy marketing to deliberately get us to spend more eg the smell of freshly baked bread and coffee that can be piped in, free bags (not usually any longer) for when you have forgotten your basket (or bags), followed by trolleys to make it easy to collect more than you can carry and special deals eg BOGOFs and deliberate positioning of essentials in different directions making the customer traverse the store etc.It is worth reading The Perils of Plastic Amnesia by Matthew Carmichael - a prize-winning essay - to remind ourselves of how we got here.  It is quite amusing. Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it!We should also appreciate that a lot of work has gone into changing and improving packaging when it is necessary eg that plastic milk bottle.  I notice that Sainsbury's has recently changed their bottles.I remember when going round a recycling plant that the foil inner seals were causing some problems as they did not pull off cleanly.(They are rather fiddly to grab hold of.)  Have you noticed how you can now find a different design of these foil seals?www.wrap.org.uk has more info on the many design changes to this plastic milk bottle in order to improve it to use less plastic, and make it easier to recycle. Much more packaging has been re-designed so that it is no longer made of of mixed materials.I try and use less if any single use plastic and avoid cotton buds with plastic stems (there are all paper stemmed ones available).  Cotton buds are one of the things that often end up in the sea because they are flushed down the loo when they shouldn't be. I use more foil and reuse it and recycle it and use see-through reusable plastic sandwich boxes for sandwiches or leftovers nowadays.  I don't happen to drink much coffee but there are often options to take your own cup to be filled. You just have to ask.I always buy strawberries in plastic tub!  I remember buying them in a paper bag as a teenager from Berwick Street market - and regretting it as I struggled to get them back home on the tube.  However I love that Sainsbury's now package tomatoes in card!  (Yes, I know there is a little film but at least that isn't bulky.)  I know that Waitrose sell grapes in bags because loose grapes squashed on the floor can be a hazard.Some supermarkets are better than others and so are some manufacturers.  There is plenty of scope for more improvements.  Plastic straws are still a problem for wildlife. 

Philippa Bond ● 3006d

All this stuff is relative.We have a huge population with massive demand for all sorts of things.Food and drink is almost 100% transport dependent.We, the consuming public want it yesterday, fresh and perfect.Bruised tomatoes, broken biscuits, sour milk and dented cans simply stay on the shelves and even get rejected by charity operations.So the logistics of packaging are such to ensure minimal damage to the produce. Maximise freshness without chemicals and nasties.Minimise weight and maximise strength for various distribution modes.It would be good if at least all the plastic packaging was uniform in it's recycling ability, but like cardboard and glass, there are different types for different purposes.But the reality is no-one is prepared to pay for the additional costs.  No-one wants to go without and no-one wants to buy transit damaged goods.The plastic heat shrunk wrap that contains the plastic water bottles in bulk transit is extremely strong also protects from contamination and saves thousands of gallons of wasted water - also a precious commodity.This type of plastic uses a tiny amount of raw material to go a long way.Quite why it is not anymore recyclable than an orange juice container or a milk container ( which are often different types of plastic) is never explained.The weight saved from using plastics instead of other means which would also use raw resources, reduces the haulage costs and increases the payloads, so saves in fuel use per 1000 gallons of water. That's less diesel burned.There is some wasteful packaging but most is far more thought through than may appear.But it is odd that in some regions all plastics are accepted for recycling and in others only some and it is impossible to identify what is and is not recyclable in which way.But it's all very well suggesting bans, but what are the solutions? There are 60 million to food and water in the UK alone?  And at what cost.Would people still pay 3 or 4 times the price for basics simply because the packaging is different?Certainly there were better ways in the past. Almost all milk was sold in glass bottles which were constantly reused, then remade. But the weight and freshness was always compromised.That was solved by electric milk floats, a national overnight rail and road operation and a doorstep delivery collection system. Sour milk and weather conditions were never quite solved and milk wastage is now at far lower levels.But the losers are the producers and again the consumers have made it pretty clear they won't pay a penny more.This is more to do with the plant and contracts that waste recycling combines have struck up to maximise profit and minimise effort. So what alternatives are there for packaging ?

Mark Kehoe ● 3015d