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Ealing MPs vote against triggering Article 50

All three Ealing Labour MPs have demonstrated unbelievable arrogance flying in the face of the will of the people of the country by voting against triggering Article 50.They should be deselected.

Alex Nieora ● 3007d29 Comments

Why should Rotherham machinists have the same level of vote in a national referendum when Ealing Lefties are so intellectually superior ! Let's start an a march demanding Ealing lefties decide for the nation and America . Get off your pompous high horses losers!

Dennis Brogan ● 3000d

Not sure whether talk of treason is meant to be a parody of some of the things people are saying at the moment but even the most passionate Leaver has to accept the mandate that the Government has at the moment is very uncertain. Theresa May appears to have backed herself into a corner - she and at least half her MPs clearly believe this isn't the right direction to take the country in but they know their party would split down the middle if any change of course was proposed. The only thing that is stopping this happening anyway is the sheer incompetence of the Labour leadership and the apparent failure of the Lib Dems to take advantage of the situation.

Helena Cavanagh ● 3002d

Good point Andy, When you listened to the European chiefs it would appear that what was proposed in our referendum was quite unrealistic. I heard Hard Brexit or no Brexit from a few people. So whilst in an ideal world it would make sense for everyone to come to a deal that suits us all the truth also means that we can not be seen to have our cake and eat it. If we did then the EU would die within a year.

Peter Chadburn ● 3003d

Not sure that those wondering whether Brexit is good or not are as concerned about the views of Lily Allen or Eddie Izzard as you are. What they will be considering is will trade deals with non-EU countries compensate us for being outside the single market. During the Referendum there was an assumption by many that leaving the EU would not entail leaving the single market including Nigel Farage who talked about a Norway style deal. What evidence do we have that faced with this new factor a majority of the British public still favour leaving the EU?

Andy Jones ● 3003d

Is it fair to assume the word in the Alan Brainsby post should be "treason"? Or is "treaon" a hanging offence?

Bob Little ● 3004d

It was an advisory referendum:"This Bill required a referendum to be held on the question of the UK’s continued membership of the European Union before the end of 2017. The bill does not contain any requirement for the UK Government to implement the results of the referendum, nor set a time limit by which a vote to leave the EU should be implemented. Instead, this is a type of referendum known as pre-legislative or consultative, which enables the electorate to voice an opinion which then influences the Government in its policy decisions. The referendums held in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 1997 and 1998 are examples of this type, where opinion was tested before legislation was introduced. The UK does not have constitutional provisions which would require the results of a referendum to be implemented"

Paul James ● 3004d

If ever you wondered if Brexit was good , proof in the pudding is Clueless Rupa photo oppurtunity Huq objects to it ! Keep marching against it and finally you may realise the British public are more powerful than Rupa Huq ,Lily Allen and Eddie Izzard ! Ha Ha losers

Dennis Brogan ● 3004d

Some MPs and many of the electorate would do well to remember that the leave/remain vote was a referundum.It was not a general or local election or any form of election. It was a vote to determine whether the UK should leave or remian in the EU.The fact that the results were given by parliamentary constituency or any other regional division was a grave error. Only the final totals should have been issued.The majority of votes were for leaving the EU. This, amazingly, has not been challenged by the remainers in parliament.The result is most unfortunate for those MPs against leaving as they are in the position, regardless of personal conviction or constituents, probably for the first in the history of our nation, of being told what to do by the nation.My personal opinion is that any MP who cannot accept this ha at least two problems:1 Is of inferior intelligence and is unable to adapt.2 Is unsure of his (to use the correct pronoun where the sex is either) ability to remain an MP in his constitueny at the next election. Any MP who is incapable of accepting the result should immediately resign or abstain.Any attempt to frustrate the process of triggering Article 50 and subsequent events should be prosecuted for what it is - treaon.

Alan Brainsby ● 3004d

Alex Nieora wittered.."I speak for 40% of the Borough and the majority of the country."Don't be so silly, no you don't. According to your website, when you put yourself forward for election, you got 1,165 votes and came 5th. Don't start having delusions of adequacy.

Nick Goodliffe ● 3005d

Brexit is not the will of the people, it's the will of SOME of the 17 million leave voters.And I can't find two of those that agree what it means...

Paul James ● 3005d

Yes Penelope, My feeling is that there are people within British politics who are articulating the faults of the EU, however they are looking at it from a mainly UK perspective rather than getting together with like minded people to push for change. As a result whether in or out the future of the EU will always be important to us. On another note the Future of Trumpistan is quite worrying especially when you see the volume of lies (alternative facts???) being thrown around.

Peter Chadburn ● 3006d

I absolutely agree that we can influence nothing outside the Union. We will have to stand on the sidelines now with our begging bowl to increasingly vile countries trying to trade. (Erdogan, Trump etc). My family live in Michigan and are hakf English so well aware of politics outside the US. They said that Theresa May's  visit was barely mentioned on their TV. We aren't that important.

Penelope Crocker ● 3006d

Yes as a Eurosceptic who has since maastrict felt that Europe was going to turn into a mess and who predicted to friends that the Euro would be a disaster for the southern countries I voted Remain. The reason was that whether we leave or remain we are at the mercy of Brussels or at the mercy of the Wolves. However by joining with Countries that also have concerns about the EU we could have formed an alliance for reform in a different direction. By appearing to be the only dissenting voice we lost an opportunity to save the EU. I  am pro-Europe but know that the EU has turned into a project that alienates people and impoverishes people at the margins. Why are buses arriving every week with people on them? Because the Euro and political vanity has left them with no options. But I believe that the MP's real work starts now in holding the government to account in the so called negotiations. I sympathise fully with our local MP's, they would not take their decisions lightly. Our press paints it is if Saint Theresa holds all the cards. But the real negotiation is between all the other countries in deciding what deal they want to give us. The dishonesty and lack of clarity in all the campaigns last summer has left us in a mess. Theresa was telling us a year ago about how leaving would cause disaster and now she is captain of the ship that everything will be wonderful!! So a brilliant liar whatever way you look at it..

Peter Chadburn ● 3006d

It's most unlikely that our local MPs will be deselected because I suspect that the party membership, who decide such things, generally support the action they took. In any event, there's no opportunity to deselect until an election is in the offing, which could be some years hence.

Peter Evans ● 3006d

It is my belief and wish that my MP bases his/her voting decisions on (a) their constituents' wishes and (b) what s/he believes to be in the best interests of their constituents. I expect my MP to have a better understanding than I do of the matter to be voted on in most instances, and would want them to give very serious as opposed to lip service to both (a) and (b) when reaching a decision.I'm sure that for most MPs it's not easy to go against a three-line whip.

Sue Rowe ● 3006d

The big majority of Labour MPs voted Yes! This was not to agree with Brexit , but to find out the final terms , before Parliament has a final vote ! How childish is Rupa photo oppurtunity Huq and her colleagues ?

Dennis Brogan ● 3006d

The big majority of Labour MPs voted Yes! This was not to agree with Brexit , but to find out the final terms , before Parliament has a final vote ! How childish is Rupa photo oppurtunity Huq and her colleagues ?

Dennis Brogan ● 3006d

All three Ealing Labour MPs have represented the views of their constituents = Remain: 90,024; Leave: 59,017

Fred Hunt ● 3006d

52% was the same percentage that voted in Barack Obama as president of the US in 2012. On a higher turnout. No one questioned the legitimacy of that. We should be grateful that we are now independent with democratic self determination as a nation. People have fought physical wars for this in the past.

Alex Nieora ● 3007d

How can you say that after attacking me with ad hominens

Alex Nieora ● 3007d

You are pathetic. You lose the argument so you resort to insults and attempts at character assassinations. I stood up to racists and sexists. If you expect to be taken seriously you should challenge me on the substance of my argument not something that is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Alex Nieora ● 3007d

You can't really say it is "the will of the people" to leave the EU, as if the people had voted en masse for it, when there was,in fact such a relatively small majority in favour of such a momentous change. Also the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay. The problem is that the results of leaving were at the time largely unknown, if not unfathomable, and still are. Even if the vote had been overwhelmingly in favour, which it wasn't, it could still have been disastrously wrong. This is a case where safety does not necessarily lie in numbers.

Brian Conneller ● 3007d

40% of this borough is considerable fewer than 48.1%. Had the result of the referendum been 60/40 I'd have been more minded to accept it. And try to stay civil.

Penelope Crocker ● 3007d

Don't be ridiculous. I posted that to show people who you are - i.e. a UKIP candidate. What the Labour party does or doesn't do is frankly, none of your business. You need to curb your language if you want to be taken seriously.

Penelope Crocker ● 3007d

Sounds like you are racist and a sexist

Alex Nieora ● 3007d

I speak for 40% of the Borough and the majority of the country. It is the will of the people and Parliament itself agreed by a majority of 6-1 that the people would decide.

Alex Nieora ● 3007d

So you agree about killing all white men?

Alex Nieora ● 3007d

Totally wrong. 48.1 wanted to remain and Ealing voted to remain too. They have a duty to their constituents. So it IS NOT the 'will of the people' You speak for yourself, not for me and not for the borough.

Penelope Crocker ● 3007d

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/ealing-ukip-candidate-uses-c-10906687

Penelope Crocker ● 3007d