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'Brexit must be total. Let the cowards and traitors hold their manhoods in shame!'Bob, it seems to have escaped your attention that women now have the vote.You are right however that fear of immigration was an important reason for many people voting Brexit but it is unclear quite how leaving the EU actually will bring the net immigration figure down other through much reduced economic growth.Theresa May is in India at the moment and one of the main discussion points is visas for Indian workers in the UK. She has already promised to make access easier and you can assume any eventually trade deal will be conditional on freer movement of labour.It is only in recent years that EU immigration has made up more than half of the total. This has been partly driven by the transplantation of much of the French banking industry which has led to over 140,000 people coming to the UK - a large proportion of those in West London. It is likely that net migration will remain high for some time even when we leave the EU. The huge infrastructure spending will need over 100,000 extra workers and most of these will be from overseas.At the same time remember this is a net number so the figure will be boosted by people who originally planned to retire in France or Spain but now are returning home because their eligibility for pensions and health care is uncertain.Given the state of the opposition it is likely that we will have a Conservative government for the next parliament when we will be outside the EU. If you think that they will restrict immigration if it comes at the price of economic growth you are likely to be disappointed. What is likely to happen is that the make up of where immigrants come from is likely to alter with less easy access for Europeans and the opposite for countries which we are seeking to develop trade agreements with.

Andy Jones ● 3094d

Not really that overwhelming in the context of the entire population. Remember it was a binary decision so a vote lost for one side is a vote gained for the other so you only need around 600,000 to change the overall vote - more the population of Sheffield than the population of Birmingham.Also bear in mind that over 500,000 people a year die in the UK. Given that over 60% of the over 65s voted for Brexit the notional majority is almost definitely getting smaller every day. Given the demographic pattern of the voting there are probably going to be net 100,000 fewer Brexit voters every year due to the deaths.This will work in the opposite way as well. There are between 700 and 800,000 people reaching voting age each year over the next few years. As 70% of 18-24 year olds voted Remain this probably means that there is a net gain each year of about 300,000.Net migration to the UK has recently been over 300,000. We have no data on how these people might vote but it is not a big leap to assume that they would be overwhelmingly in favour of remaining. If you assume a reduction in immigration due to the weak currency let's say there is a net increase in the remain vote each year due to immigration of 150,000.Combining these all you get a net annual reduction in the Leave majority of around 550,000. So within three years there could be a majority for Remain.This of course makes some assumptions most particularly nobody changes their mind. However after two years there are likely to be over a million fewer votes on the Leave side. This would mean at that point the number of people who would need to change their mind to end the majority for Brexit would not be the population of Birmingham or even Sheffield but more like the population of Yeovil. The problem is that people are taking comfort in absolute numbers to convince themselves that the vote is decisive whereas the percentages are actually very tight.

Andy Jones ● 3095d