After all the problems associated with the travellers residing on the Warwick Road section of Ealing Common, we now have an even bigger problem.A group of about 25 caravans arrived sometime late on 21 July and have taken up residence on Ealing Common itself. In the space of less than 48 hours, there are now numerous mountains of rubbish on the Common, one of which (from a safe distance) appears to include tree boughs (presumably ripped from trees on the Common). They are also 'understandably' driving across the Common from their caravans to get to the road, with no regard for people sunbathing/playing on the Common.With all the legal hoops the council have to go through to move them on, they will undoubtedly be there for many weeks. Research suggests that these are the same travellers that 'blighted' Norwood Green for many months.
Patricia McCarthy ● 1912d47 Comments
Mr Mason will bring us more rats more brightely lit at night by the Liberal Democrats?
Waldemar Baran ● 132d
Clearly NOWhat will new Mr Masson bring?MORE rats? (He said biodiverssity and sports facilites can coexist togetherr)That means MORE rats? I think
Waldemar Baran ● 132d
Waves of dumped garbageProstitutes in the Maytree Park and in the cemeteryDrug dealers in local bars and outside cafes like CosterChicken grease stains everywhereUncut grass in parksWhy no Cowid measures in local bars?Broken pavementsAlways roadworks
Waldemar Baran ● 132d
Now's the time to get a 'cheap' tarmac drive LOL. And secure the contents of the garden hut . . . Oh, the joys of 'diversity' . . . .
Tony Heath ● 132d
Fencing, Ha Ha's, Ditches, Bollards, Whatever, WE shouldn't have to spend a single penny on any of this, the limited amounts of funds available are far more important for other community projects. I am sure existing laws (fly-tipping/littering for starters) could effectively deal with incursions but there's no real will. You know, you get called a "Racist" otherwise.Cue flag waving PC Woke Virtue Signallers on here having an apoplectic fit.Please give us your address and they can come and camp on YOUR lawn?No? Thought not ..........
Rosco White ● 133d
Almost like being called racist for criticising a team performance because the had an Irish/Scottish/Welsh/Venusian (delete as appropriate) player. So some are Irish, so what?
N V Brooks ● 133d
Pikies running cons in various shops in South Ealing. I think that you would be best to avoid the Costa Coffee by South Ealing Tube Station, trained pikey beggar children who the staff refuse to control
Ben Stallwitz ● 133d
I can't believe that on social media there are those claiming that any criticism of the traveller community is 'racist'.If criticising the mess that they create and the increase in associated petty crime is racist then; guilty as charged.
N V Brooks ● 134d
Interesting how they demand fair treatment & respect, and then do everything possible to undermine that.
Rosco White ● 134d
They are back, bigger than ever.in the middle of the main part of EC last night. Not been via there today
Simon Wycombe ● 135d
Ealing would do well to follow the example of the Windmill Lane garden centre who used to be plagued by visits from these people.A continuous ditch with cross over points. Zero maintenance, aesthetically far more pleasing than fencing and no further incidents.I not that ditches are being dug on Norwood Green so the council should have no problem replicating this on Ealing Common
Paul Gibbs ● 1617d
Isn't it about time we had the white fencing extended around the entire common to stop this? Each year now we are plagued by these people who do not care or respect our open spaces. They leave huge waste piles, pay no local tax, damage our envirment and to top all that of defecate on the common. Dog walkers get fines but it seems it is ok for them to spread human waste.It costs us all for the clean up eachtime and with the required policing and courts must run to tens of thousands. These people do not care and it is about time something was done to stop this.
Jamie Fuller ● 1617d
many thanks.I don't envy you.Appreciate it has to be played by the book, which must be very frustrating.
Simon Wycombe ● 1621d
Joanna Dabrowska ● 1621d
Did they disappear?One more thought on my concrete pillar idea. If we did that we would be unable to let the common out to fun fair users. Do they pay such a big leasing/hiring fee that we HAVE to have fun fairs on the common?
Simon Wycombe ● 1622d
The travellers arrived on Saturday night with the Police attending to a disturbance. Council officers attended on Sunday. Hopefully, they will leave tonight. http://ealingcommon.yourcllr.com/2017/05/08/travellers-arrive-on-ealing-common/
Joanna Dabrowska ● 1623d
Reading Terry's e mail, concrete bollards could well be the answer. if done tastefully, it could fit in quite well. wouldn't want to live in Elm Avenue at the moment.
Simon Wycombe ● 1623d
are the ones on the edge of the common by Elm Avenue, ''travellers'' or part of the fun fair?
Simon Wycombe ● 1623d
Yes there already is a ha-ha of sorts on the side next to Gunnersbury Avenue for that bit of the common south of the old access road (the continuation of Warwick Road). Strategically placed bollards could also help. A couple of months ago, there were three small caravans parked on the grassy bit on the bridge that goes over the District Line. They got removed rather sharpish (TfL may have a better legal team)and now I see there are new shiny bollards on the wide pathway meaning no further vehicles can get through.
Terry Freestone ● 1899d
see Wikipedia"A ha-ha is a recessed landscape design element that creates a vertical barrier while preserving an uninterrupted view of the landscape beyond.The design includes a turfed incline which slopes downward to a sharply vertical face, typically a masonry retaining wall. Ha-has are used in landscape design to prevent access to a garden, for example by grazing livestock, without obstructing views. In security design, the element is used to deter vehicular access to a site while minimizing visual obstruction.The name "ha-ha" may derive from the unexpected (i.e., amusing) moment of discovery when, on approach, the vertical drop suddenly becomes visible"
Libby Kemp ● 1899d
As an alternative to "fencing off" any large green space, I have seen long earth mounds (humps?) along perimeters in some places (Cambridgeshire?). They are just high enough so that any vehicle would get hung up and stuck if someone was attempting to drive over them. Easier access (easier than walking over a knee-high mound) could be made possible by putting occasional gaps in place (gaps wide enough for a wheelchair or mobility scooter). Thoughts?
Thomas Bonasera ● 1899d
Once we leave the EU do we automatically can the Bill of Human Rights or is that written into our statute?Just asking like
Colin Goodman ● 1899d
What's the fine for fly tipping. I'm sure the council knows the identity of these "travellers". It's about time they prosecuted these law breakers
Dwayne Taylor ● 1900d
They moved out last night, so good work by local councillors.Still they left a rubbish mountain.
N robinson ● 1901d
Something like this perhaps? (joke alert)https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hairpins,_Narborough.jpg
John Murias ● 1906d
I'm shocked. I thought they had gone. Bollards like the security ones at the entrances to the Ealing Broadway Centre should be erected to keep them out
Simon Bell ● 1906d
They are back. The rubbish is already starting to build up again. What is the the best way to complain about this?? I have had to stop walking walking my dog due to all the human waste under all the trees.
Peter Smith ● 1906d
I was there only a few minutes ago and they've increased in numbers again. I have posted a photo here https://instagram.com/p/BIcrkKJgHQ1/
Joanna Dabrowska ● 1906d
Well, most of them have gone. There are only 3 caravans there today. I have no idea what happened.
Simon Bell ● 1906d
it's right on the bridge on the right hand side as you come from Ascott Avenue. Bonnet now open and looking quite dangerous.Hopefully you will also have success with the 'travellers'.
Simon Wycombe ● 1909d
Hi Simon,I am one of the three ward councillors representing Ealing Common ward. Accept this message as reported and I will take it up to get it removed. Could you let me know which end (or middle?) of ER it's on?Thank youJoanna
Joanna Dabrowska ● 1910d
UPDATE: http://ealingcommon.yourcllr.com/2016/07/25/breaking-news/Regarding travellers generally, in my experience most of the ones I have come across don't respect the environment where they (temporarily) settle. On the flip side, a couple of travellers that have worked for me in the past, were either living in houses and/or have married non-travellers, are hard grafters and dislike the bad travellers.The ones on Ealing Common are the same lot that are located on Norwood Green, some stayed and some visited us on Ealing Common.I believe the nearest traveller park is in Ruislip.
Joanna Dabrowska ● 1910d
@ John, could you please expand on your first post? It's unclear whether the council still provide alternative sites. As for the 'treat with respect' bit, I'm afraid I'm with the majority here, there wasn't much respect shown by the last lot on Ealing Common, nor the state Gunnersbury Park was left in last year. Who ended up paying for the substantial clean up operation? Or the fire brigade called to Ealing Common yesterday?
Philip Slater ● 1910d
Ian - you must've overheard my conversation at the weekendAs for Doctor John I'm afraid I don't recognise this prosaic world you describe.Yet more need for the law abiding majority to flex, spend and have their way of life effected to accommodate an unruly minority I've had travellers work for me and they could graft. These ones were sort of "crossovers" and slagged off the rest of their community more than us "country folk" would (even dare to).
Colin Goodman ● 1910d
Why on earth should the council provide skips?The rest of us have to pay upwards of £350 per skip of which a good chunk goes to the council for a "skip license" if it's placed on the road.The "Travellers" make a good business out of "rubbish collection" that they then dump on public land to be cleaned up at our cost.It's about time the law was changed - so that Travellers' vehicles are impounded as part of the process to evict them from public land and any costs incurred in the eviction are funded by the sale of said vehicles unless the "travellers" pay up.
Ian Ellis ● 1910d
Susan,If you provide the right sites for these people,and educate them to keep it clean,they will,if you ever have the chance to enter one of their caravans they are pristine,the council could help the situation by providing skips ad removing same and provision of more permanent sites.we adapt to other cultures and we should try to understand theirs.John.
Dr John Stolworthy D.Sc ● 1910d
Patricia,the local Councils had to sites,for some reason this was stopped,so still exist and are well run,after all these people are human beings and should be treated as such,I havehad dealing with them in the past,and they are not unreasonable if treated with respect,which they will also return.John.
Dr John Stolworthy D.Sc ● 1911d