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Acton murder

It just gets worse and worseAnd talk of reducing Met Offcers? Madness

Colin Goodman ● 3762d27 Comments

Do people think there was a specific time or event following which things started to get worse or has it been a gradual decline over time?The war is usually cited as the date from which things like this are measured but my grandparents didn't have anything good to say about the 1920s or 1930s, except in Southern Ireland.

Phil Kay ● 3735d

Quite so Peter.

Beryl Bashford ● 3738d

not at all insignificant, its what us the general public. feel most aggrieved about.Apparently 2 "men" have been arrested - good.No doubt a slap on the wrist & another 2/3 thousand to step into their shoes

Peter Yale ● 3739d

Thank you Peter. I too have an insignificant report to make. Last week the Police had to come to my road on Acton Hill as a man had pulled a knife on an innocent passer by. So that makes 3 incidents in just one month in my area. Things not getting better are they ?

Beryl Bashford ● 3739d

not to mention Brent violent stabbing & West Kensington too

Peter Yale ● 3739d

*insignificant" as it is & im not supposed to comment - 1 murder & 1 person in stable condition following Kenton stabbingNot keeping figures, merely reading through local everyday run of mill events

Peter Yale ● 3739d

Yes CHRIS I AM AWARE OF THAT.However using public transport can be scary for ladies on their own . I have also been stopped and asked for money by so called " hoodies "  and spat at when declining . I fear one day I will get my bag snatched or worse knocked about or even knifed .Yes knifed Chris.The folk high on drink or drugs do anything for the next fix.I hope you think about the elderly ladies safety in your own family , please do.

Beryl Bashford ● 3748d

I'm sorry that you feel unsafe in some areas in Ealing, but as the old saying goes, anecdotes don't equal data.The vast majority of the knifings of which you speak are youth on youth and gang on gang.

Chris Gilson ● 3749d

Colin you speak for many of us octogenarians in Acton and Ealing. Twyford Crescent Gardens are no longer safe . Chap knifed there in August ,Crown Street , Perivale, Hounslow Dean Gardens in W. Ealing also scary places due to knifings.  in the daylight too.Last two years HAVE seen an increase in crime ..on the buses too. Good Samaritan helped  a young girl recently on the 207 to Acton.. she  publicly sent her thanks for his intervention. I have been followed home 2x recently in spite of having my dog with me and sort refuge in a neighbours garden , jingling my keys pretending it was my home

Beryl Bashford ● 3749d

hear hear

Peter Yale ● 3751d

You can read whatever you like, produce statistics from wherever you want or list endless "government reports" - there's no defeating your eyes and ears at the sharp end.There's no point myself spitting out reams of reasons - you'll believe what you want to believe.I see it for myself locally and throughout London for work, and nationally when I travel around England. I talk to youth workers, drug councillors, coppers the lot and if you think things are getting better then I'll leave you in your blissful ignorance

Colin Goodman ● 3751d

Absolutely nonsense that London is getting more and more dangerous, as already pointed out by other posters. Incidentally, I would be interested if you could specifically tell me where are these 'more and no go areas'? And how pleased are you to know that somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 prisoners are held on remand who will eventually be found innocent of the crime that they are charged with? Now that statistic is worrying.

Ben Owen ● 3752d

Okay so as you get older you get more wary but....I think it's much, much more dangerous on the streets of London now than it was even 15 years agoThere's more and more no go areas, the old bill are swamped and habitual just handing out cautions or just crime numbers to "hit targets"Stats may tell you there's roses, peace and love out there but at the sharp end the feelings very, very different

Colin Goodman ● 3752d

Sadly Peter the media has an agenda and you're falling for it hook line and sinker.Pretty much it's sole purpose is to sell advertising.Not wanting to do good journalists down but they are just a side show. It can only do this off the back of stories that make people read the paper.That's why it would rather splash on a brutal murder. Murder's which have always happened, and in the past at a much greater rate than today.Please don't let the media dictate your view of the world or it will be a very twisted one!

Paul James ● 3752d

As I say im not interested in figures, in any walk of life they can be "adjusted".I merely comment on what I read in the news & its not good

Peter Yale ● 3752d

Well, the Home Office includes manslaughter in its homicide stats (http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/focus-on-violent-crime-and-sexual-offences--2013-14/rpt-chapter-2.html). And there are only a handful of 'justifiable homicides' (now known as lawful killings every year). So we do, for the most part, count those things that you mentioned.

Chris Gilson ● 3752d

Yes really Chris because you have either misread or misrepresented what I wrote. I merely said that if we counted manslaughter,justifiable homicide and all the other unexplained deaths that the police come across as a murder  as they do in America and not as seperate crime classifications then the difference would be less. If you can't understand this then gawd only knows how to explain it to you.

Keith Iddon ● 3752d

Most types of crime are going down, plummeting in fact, from a peak in 1995, and today still way below that in 1991. Why do some people want to believe the opposite, what's their motivation?http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/year-ending-march-2015/stb-crime-march-2015.html#tab-Summary-

Paul James ● 3752d

Well not really.The US murder rate per 100,000 in 2012 was 4.7 (14,827 murders).The UK's recorded murder rate is about 1 per 100,000 (550 murders). There are about 55 or so unsolved murders or so every year (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561945/Rate-of-unsolved-murders-doubles-in-decade.html), which if included, would not increase the per 100,000 number a great deal more. Even if the figure was as high as 500 unsolved murders a year (which is very doubtful), the rate would still be around 1.6 per 100,000, which you'll agree is still nowhere near the US' rate of 4.7.

Chris Gilson ● 3752d

If we counted murders the same way that they are counted in the USA we might get a more accurate picture. Although there is a huge difference in numbers of murders between her and America, if we counted them tha same way the difference would be significantly less. For instance, if a body is found in America it is counted as a murder straight  away, whereas we wait until the crime is solved before it is counted and then it is counted as happening in the year that the crime is solved,not in the year it was committed. The Harold Shipman murders are a prime example. Instead of attributing the murders, all 213 of them, to the year that they were actually committed they were attributed to whatever year it was that they were solved upon his conviction. Also, manslaughter and justifiable homicide etc. are counted as murder but in differing degrees( 2nd, 3rd etc.)  in America.

Keith Iddon ● 3753d

Figures are constantly "fiddled" by various governments to look favourable.In the last couple of weeks theres been the Eastcote bar killing, & this week Perivale stabbing. I wonder how many go unreported too.

Peter Yale ● 3753d

In 2013 murder in London was at a record 43 year low, so not sure how things are getting worse and worse?http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/murder-rate-hits-42-year-low-in-london-8462974.html

Paul James ● 3753d

Live your life by statistics and you'll live till 83 years old, 3 months and 12 days.Try actually opening your eyes up when you're out and about and talking to people closer to these "issues" and a whole different scenario unfolds.One day the do-gooders and liberal left will wake up and ask themselves "did we actually do any good?!"

Colin Goodman ● 3757d

I dont agree things "are getting better", almpst every week, daily but certainly regularly there is some horrific knife crime or murderSentences are pathetic,for example the police officer stabbed at Notting Hill carnival.- a community order.There are umpteen cases & rising, its in the nationalsas I say too often

Peter Yale ● 3758d

Absolutely terrible, but if people hold up their hands and say things are getting worse and worse when in fact they are getting better it could mean whatever policies are working get canned because of misinformation, and then things really could get worse!

Paul James ● 3761d

Yeah it's strange innit?..all that and reports of 3 murders in Acton on the W3 homepage.

Keith Iddon ● 3761d

In 2013 murder in London was at a record 43 year low, so not sure how things are getting worse and worse?http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/murder-rate-hits-42-year-low-in-london-8462974.html

Paul James ● 3761d