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There is an out of hours (OOH) GP service - paid for, and commissioned by Ealing Clinical Commissioning Group ( ie the NHS) . Any GP practice will have the OOH number on their answerphone, and the 111 service is able to refer any patients to it.Unfortunately the current service is provided by the lowest cost provider. OOH care was originally providied by individual practices , but increasing demands led to the formation of GP cooperatives ( such as Harmoni) which provided an excellent service.The Labour government killed off Coos overnight with the 1990 contract, and a clinically led service became a private company overnight. The current OOH service is a shadow of what used to be available, so people tend to vote with their feet and go to A/E, with increSingly minor complaints.The 111 phone service seems to be almost unknown by the public - at least NHS Direct, a national service, employing over 1000 nurses , achieved 45% recognition. Alas, the NHS bean- counters decided that  the 111 service, staffed by non- clinicians, and supported by software that was known to refer more people to a/E than that used by NHSD , was the way forward.1200 people were made redundant at a cost of £60 million when it was closed in June 2013.The NHSD website ( used. By 12m people a year for initial self care ) was also closed, and is only now being replaced.So it's no wonder that the NHS has OOH / A/e problems.It is also worth noting that the cipurrent generations of medical students will accumulate debts of £90k - a definite incentive not to enter general practice but to stay in specialities with good opportunities for Privare Practice.

Nick Robinson ● 4094d

A couple of relevant facts:1. A&E departments are apparently "swamped" by an additional 20,000 patients a week. That translates to around 15 extra patients a day for each of the 189 A&E units - less than 1 an hour.2. A&E departments received an additional £150m of funding over the winter to cope with higher demand arising from any severe weather. The severe weather hasn't materialised but much of the money has either been spent on other specialties, or wasted on locum doctors who are being paid up to £4000 a weekend on TOP of their salaries of £130K a year.3. Most countries don't have a wait time target at all -  we hear that 5% of patients had to wait longer than 4 hours but we don't hear the average wait time or median wait time. For the rest of the world a 4 hour wait time isn't even something they target.4. The public and the medics have a role to play in using A&E services properly. Many patients visit A&E and are discharged without having required any treatment at all - around 20% of visits should actually have seen their GP or Pharmacist. The busy periods in A&E are evenings and weekends and when you strip out drunk patients / cases that should see a GP there is actually plenty of capacity in the system.What we really need to do is sort out primary care. British GPs are paid 3 x as much as french GPs but constantly complain about workload (despite many now working part time). Perhaps it's time to pay them less and have more of them - and also over rule the Royal College of GPs' efforts to prevent pharmacists from doing more work.In Ealing we have an excellent "late" pharmacy on South Ealing Road that sees patients from morning to 10pm - many of these visits are at times when GPs don't work, but ironically this service is underfunded despite the lack of GP appointments.All in all, the NHS is failing because it's not meeting the primary care needs of patients in the evenings and weekends. The medics are very much accountable for that as they have resisted efforts to reform working practices for many years and each change is met with a demand for even more money, despite the fact they are now paid substantially more than their peers in all countries apart from the USA where doctors have to pay for their training and don't get it free like here.

Ed Yelland ● 4103d