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Planning Manager Misdirects Committee on Hanwell case

I was appalled to witness the new LBE Planning Manager attending Wednesday night's Planning Committee TWICE misdirect the Members of the Committee on how they may or may not vote on an application.Item 03 on the Agenda (my copy had no index!) was for a contentious proposed development in Hanwell at Nos.1 - 7 Clock Tower Mews in the Conservation Area. A previous similar planning application was refused in April 2014 by a differently-constituted committee prior to the May Election.The previous application having been refused for reasons of design and appearance, roof profile, etc   - it was not refused on grounds of overdevelopment.Ms Carolyn Brown spoke on behalf of objectors and also Elthorne Ward Councillor, Cllr. Yoel Gordon (a former Member of the Planning Committee) spoke against the development very forcibly and described the presentation of the developers' agent as "disgraceful" and worse!Then, the Planning Manager (who I had never seen before) introduced the item and straight away MISDIRECTED the Planning Committee by telling them that they could not decide the case on any other matter giving a new reason for refusal as the Committee would be fettered by the previous decision for a similar proposal where the grounds for refusal had been on design and appearance, etc.This is wrong in law and there is a landmark case (Chisnell) from  2005 where the High Court ruled that a Planning Committee is NOT bound by previous decisions and may decide an application on a different ground to that previously refused on, so long as they gave a reason for their decision.In this instance, several Members said that they were regretful that they were bound by this restriction (as they thought) and one Councillor said that it was an overdevelopment.The Legal Officer did not interject to correct what the Planning Manager had said, nor did the Assistant Chief Planning Officer, who was also present.The Committee duly passed the Application in the belief that they were prevented from making a finding of "overdevelopment".Later on during the same Committee Meeting when introducing another case, the Planning Manager did it again!  This time, I could not sit there in silence and I interjected myself saying "Totally Incorrect". I was told to keep quiet by the Chairman.NB. This is the second time that I had to interject  - at a previous Committee on 14th August 2013, the then deputy Chairman (Cllr. Chris Summers) made a similar mistake, BUT before voting, both the Legal Officer and another Councillor Edward Rennie acknowledged that I was right (having interjected from the public gallery) that the Committee is NOT fettered by past decisions and may look at any Application with fresh eyes. Naturally, the Committee will bear in mind previous decisions which are a material consideration to be taken into account but they are not necessarily a deciding factor or a veto on a different Committee considering a similar application afresh coming to a different conclusion.On Wednesday, after my interjection on the second instance of misdirecting the Committee, finally the LBE Legal Officer spoke up effectively to confirm that what I had indicated was correct. I would just add that whilst the first case was being discussed (during which the Legal Officer did not correct the Planning Manager), I hastily scribbled a note and passed it to one of the Committee Members (as I was seated downstairs to hear another case) to say that the "Chisnell" case Judge had ruled that a Planning Committee are NEVER fettered in reaching a decision and departing from a previous decision, so long as they give a reason for doing so.I think that my message was passed round to a few Councillors, but alas, none questioned the Legal Officer or the Planning Manager on this.  Later, during the Meeting, they all heard that I was right! V.Mishiku (The Covenant Movement)  28/11/14.

Victor Mishiku ● 4085d24 Comments

Further to the above postings (and I still await a response from Mr Noel Rutherford to my original request for a review), there was an article in Saturday May 2nd's "Estates Gazette" headed: "Departure from a conclusion reached in an earlier planning appeal relating to the same site". The new case "St Albans City & District Council v Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government" [2015] EWHC 655; [2015] PLSCS 92 upheld the previous general principle derived from the Court of Appeal in "North Wiltshire District Council v Secretary of State for the Environment" [1992] 3 PLR 113 that a subsequent planning decision-maker is entitled to disagree with a critical aspect of a previous planning decision in an undistinguishable case, providing he gives a reason for doing so, though this did not amount to having a mandatory "Legal Test" applied rather it was simply a reflection of the practical realities.That was the thrust of the Judicial Review "Chisnell" case in L.B.Richmond where the Planning Committee had been misdirected by a Planning Officer and indeed a former longtime Chairman of the Planning Committtee (Cllr. Martin Elengorn) just prior to taking the vote to the effect that because a certain ground of Refusal had not been cited in a previous very similar proposal, therefore no new reason for Refusal on the similar application could now be raised - but this was wrong, as the High Court decided.The local Hanwell Community Forum complained that in the case that were concerned about, there were good reasons (strongly supported by Ward Cllr Yoel Gordon) on which to turn down a new development but the LBE Planning Manager, Mr Adrian Harding, unfortunately told the Committee twice that night, that they were effectively fettered by the Council's past Decisions - which as has been shown, was not correct advice and finally corrected by the Legal Officer, Ms Alison Luff only after my outburst from the Public Gallery (and not for the first time on this same topic, as former Cllr. Edward Rennie will recall).Alas, the Planning Committee once they were made aware of the true legal position, failed to take the opportunity to immediately re-visit their Decision and change their recommendation on the Hanwell case.

Victor Mishiku ● 3917d

Happy New Year to all!So far, I have not had any response from the Council beyond the letter from Ms Aileen Jones, which does not make sense as she states as the basis for her defence of her Manager Mr Adrian Harding's "legal advice" to the Committee, that the previous Application was granted - when in fact, it was REFUSED in April 2014 by the previous Council Committee!I have received the following comment (since widely circulated) from a former Member of three LBE Environment and Planning Sub-Committees in the 1990s:"Aileen Jones, rather than correct the error made by the Planning Manager in purporting to direct the Committee on a point of law, repeats and compounds the error in what appears to be a misguided attempt to protect her subordinate. In any event, planning officers are not competent to direct members on matters of law. Only qualified solicitors can do that. During the 1990s, when I was a councillor sitting on Planning Committees, it was the practice for Legal Services officers, not planning officers, to give Members legal (as opposed to planning) advice. I recall on one occasion that then Councillor Gurcharan Singh, sitting in the chair, stated that the UDP was not statutory (and could therefore be ignored). The Legal Services officer sitting next to him corrected him on that point. Which is how it should be. I can recall that on another occasion, the former Assistant Chief Planning Officer, Richard Kirby, said that he was bound by the advice of the Borough Engineer, which he was not. The Legal Services officer did not correct him on that point, and should have done. Decisions of Planning Committees do matter, they do affect peoples' lives. Which is why it is so important that elected members are given accurate advice by those competent to do so. I regard the misdirection of elected members as a subversion of democracy." Angus J Huck21st December 2014.

Victor Mishiku ● 4046d

I have received a letter from Ms Aileen Jones, Head of Planning LBE defending her officer, Mr Adrian Harding, in respect of my comments made on the Forum that he misdirected the Planning Committee in the Hanwell Clock Tower Mews case ref: PP/2014/4933 that came before the Planning Committee on Wednesday 26th November 2014.Ms Jones did not attend the Committee and her letter which can be seen at the URL shown below seems to be riddled with errors and omissions. The Case Law (Chisnell) matters that I raised are simply not addressed at all. One would have thought that Ms Jones would have at least acknowledged this landmark case. N.B. Some years ago, in a High Court covenant case relating to land in Weybridge, the developers Cala Homes (South) Ltd were insisting that a restriction limiting development to "a private dwellinghouse only" with a garage thereto permitted would not be infringed by a Block of 12 Flats with 22 car-parking spaces below ground. Gerald Moran (the leading covenant solicitor in the country) cited the 1900 Covenant Judgment "Rogers v Hosegood" which ruled that a building comprising lots of flats did not constitute "a private dwellinghouse only".  The solicitors acting for the developers completely disregarded Mr Moran's legal argument and did not even include the case in their List of Case Law Authorities presented to the Court.  The Judge ruled against Cala Homes and ordered them to pay full "Indemnity Costs" (very rarely awarded) to the residents saying that the important 1900 case had been brought to their solicitors' attention at an early stage by Mr Moran and adding "why should the residents have to pay a penny in costs?"In my view, Ms Jones's very senior Planning Officer, Mr Adrian Harding (the recently appointed "Interim Major Projects Manager"), did being ignorant of the case law unfortunately MISDIRECT the Committee possibly resulting in some of the Members (most of them with only 7 months experience on the Planning Committee) being unaware that they need not have been forced to vote for a development that they might have otherwise wish to have refused.Ms Jones's letter can be read at:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14377445/LetterfromHeadofPlanning_15thDec2014.pdfBACKGROUND:  If you read my earlier postings, you will see that I referred to the previous Application at the same address.  This was Application PP/2014/1051 for the creation of a third storey on the existing properties at 1 -7 Clock Tower Mews, Hanwell W7 3SY.This Application was decided by the previous Council (before the May 2014 Elections). Since then, many newly elected Members are now on the Planning Committee with just 7 months experience as Ealing Councillors, who obviously were not involved with the previous Application, which was submitted in February 2014 and REFUSED by the Council on 25th April 2014.  The Decision Notice refusing plannning permission is not shown on the Council's Website.  Some Appeal papers are shown on the Website but the Report to Committee does not list the Appeal or refer to it, which is surprising!The Report mentions that the previous Application was REFUSED on only 2 grounds (Design and the Failure to provide a Light Assessment).  It was not for instance refused on issues of Overdevelopment, Bulk, Density, Lack of on-site Parking, Lack of Private Amenity space.In Ms Jones's defence of Mr Harding's comments she writes:"With regard to the Hanwell application, the lead planning officer, Adrian Harding, responded to a councillor's comments about overdevelopment. He advised that in circumstances where the scheme is the same as a previously approved scheme it is not appropriate for the committee to introduce a new reason for refusal that was not previously a reason".I find difficulty in making relevant sense of Ms Jones's remarks because:The previous similar application PP/2014/1051 to add a third storey that I referred to was not "approved"  - it was REFUSED by the Council on 25th April 2014.  This is stated in the Report to Committee on 26th November 2014 on page 7 of 15 (N.B. 14 out 15 pages of the Report are misdated as "08/01/2014").Ms Jones appears to have copied this text from the Council's Minutes of the Meeting, which read: "Adrian Harding introduced the application......He advised that in circumstances where the scheme is the same as a previously approved scheme it is not appropriate for a committee to introduce a new reason for refusal that was not previously a reason."Ms Jones seems to have copied her text virtually word for word from the Minutes.But as mentioned above, the previous scheme to add a third storey was REFUSED in April 2014.The comments from Ms Jones copied from the Minutes simply do not make sense!Ms Jones does not anywhere in her letter of 15th December 2014 refer to the landmark case "Chisnell" to which I had referred and copied widely. Ms Jones does not refer to the Law Property Journal detailed article by property solicitor, Gerald Moran of Lincoln's Inn with over 40 years experience on property law.This legal findings and issues in this case and the article were also highlighted by the Chairman of the Hanwell Community Forum, Ms Carolyn Brown, in her detailed Formal Complaint to Planning Services dated 11th December 2014.Ms Jones merely mentions that the previous Decision is a material planning consideration.  It is not really clear whether Ms Jones knows that the previous Decision on 25th April 2014 was for REFUSAL! - but assuming that she does, then Ms Jones has totally failed to take into account the ratio decidendi (the rationale for the decision) in the Judgment in the High Court case of Mr Justice Newman (which has also been widely circulated).In Ms Brown's formal complaint, she said and referred to the following:a)  The Chisnell case found that Planning Committee is never fettered by previous Decisions of the Council and can introduce a new Reason for Refusal even if that reason was not employed in a previous application of the same nature, so long as the Committee explains the grounds for its decision.b) The Chisnell case was covered in the "Property Law Journal" article by Gerald Moran of Lincoln's Inn dated 7 March 2005.  I quote from this article:  "... previous refusals had not identified design or neighbour impact as being unacceptable. At the meeting the officers were asked to advise on the position, and an officer advised that it would be difficult to take a different view on what had been considered previously.  Newman J said that this opinion was not sufficient guidance on the legal principles concerning consistency.  The committee should have been told in clear terms that it was open to them to exercise their own judgement, and that the previous decisions were merely a material consideration.  Another officer advised the committee that there would need to be a material change in circumstances to introduce a new ground for refusal based on neighbour impact.  Newman J said that there was no justification for this advice. There was simply a need for the committee to understand the importance of consistency, and a need for it to express a reason if it departed from the reasoning of the previous decisions by the officers, reflecting its own judgment on this issue.One committee member (the former chairman) emphasised that members were bound by the previous decisions, limiting grounds for refusal.  Newman J concluded that the advice of officers may also have led other members to this conclusion, or at least to influence the weight given to the factor. There was a real risk that members believed that their judgment on these objections were fettered by the previous decisions...."c) The committee should have been told in clear terms that it was open to them to exercise their own judgement, and that the previous decisions were merely a material consideration.  I also again refer to the High Court Judgment in the Chisnell case where the Judge, Mr Justice Newman, stated:"In my judgment there was no justification for the committee being told that there was a need for there to be a material change in circumstances in order to introduce a new ground for refusal..... I am satisfied that on this occasion the committee were misinformed as to the approach to be adopted in connection with the previous decisions. Next I must consider whether that could have had any impact upon the committee. The material assists, in my judgment, at page 111, where the recorded observation by Councillor Elengorn, appears as follows, "Bound by case decisions - limits grounds for refusal. No substantial harm caused". This entry leads me to conclude that I cannot exclude the possibility that the advice as tendered led to this conclusion being formed, not only by that councillor, but by others, or at least influencing the weight that others gave to this material consideration.... I am satisfied that the committee did consider the neighbour amenity objections. I am also satisfied that there is a real risk that the members of the committee, or some of them, believed that their judgment on those objections was fettered by the previous decisions. It follows that there is a real risk that the claimants' objections were not considered in accordance with law. To that conclusion Mr Mould has, in response, drawn attention to the vote: three of them were against it. That is true. But the difficulty is that one does not know why."  (Extract from High Court Judgment of Mr Justice Newman 27/1/05).On the second page of her letter, Ms Jones also refers to Dr Sahota's case in Castlebar Road but my second Forum complaint against her Planning Manager, Mr Harding, relates to the misleading and incorrect legal advice he rendered to Mr Joel Mahabir relating to a Section 106 Agreement (where he cited the Prudential case as a binding precedent, when it is nothing of the sort!) and that is dealt with in a separate topic on the Forum entitled "Planning Manager - wrong in law again? (TVU case)", to which she has not referred or even written to me about.I am still puzzled why planning officers are dispensing incorrect legal advice to the Committee when the LBE Legal Officer is present?Victor Mishiku - "The Covenant Movement"  21/12/14.References:CHISNELL case - High Court Judgment of Mr Justice Newman dated 27/1/05. Please see at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14377445/JUDGMENT27thJan2005.pdfPROPERTY LAW JOURNAL article by Gerald Moran dated 7/3/05. Please see at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14377445/PropertyLawJournal_GeraldMoran.pdf PS.  Cllr. Chris Summers (former Deputy Chairman of the Planning Committee) who was present at Committee on 26th November 2014 knew of the legal precedent because last year, I interjected during a Planning Committee Meeting he was conducting saying exactly the same and Cllr. Edward Rennie and the Legal Officer both acknowledged that I WAS correct (despite the unauthorised interjection). For my good works, Cllr. Summers wanted me evicted from the Town Hall!

Victor Mishiku ● 4061d

Dear NicholasIn your query you asked about the legal advice given by the planning officer to the Planning Committee instructing them on how they could not vote the application down on any new ground beyond what had been given as a reason for refusal by the previous Council's Committee Members in April (prior to the change in Committee Members brought about by the May 2014 Local Elections).On thinking about this more and having read the Formal Complaint made by Ms Carolyn Brown, Chairman of the Hanwell Community Forum on 11th December 2014, I am querying why the planning officer actually presumed to instruct the Planning Committee how to vote at all?If there is a legal principle, then it should have been the Legal Officer present, Ms Alison Luff to explain the law to the Members of the Planning Committee.Many of the Members are entirely new to the Council and have only been on the Committee for 7 months  - naturally, they would hesitate to question what they are being told.I have been attending Planning Committees for 28 years and with experience of many cases, when a fundamental mistake is made, alarm bells start ringing!I was the person who suggested that Mr Chisnell in the L.B. Richmond case should take counsel's opinion when the Planning Committee, believing that they had no other option, granted planning permission to an unsightly and overbearing development at 173 Whitton Road.  The senior counsel who reviewed the case said that he thought that I was right when I remarked that the planning officer and former Chairman of the Planning Committee had misled the entire Committee before the vote took place by suggesting that the Committee Members were "bound" by and limited to previous reasons given in earlier decisions for similar developments at the same property.As you have seen from earlier postings, Mr Justice Newman quashed the planning permission granted by L.B.Richmond. The Council had to pay £19,000 costs to Mr Chisnell's Solicitors plus bear its own costsWhen the case was sent back to Committee for consideration afresh, the Chairman, Cllr. Virginia Morris, said at the start of the debate that "the chains have been lifted"!The Committee refused the application on fresh grounds (not previously employed in the earlier similar application).  That refusal was later appealed against by the developer. The Planning Inspectorate dismissed his appeal following an Appeal Hearing (informal mode) at York House, which I attended and gave evidence at.The developer has not shown his face again.An article in the Evening Standard at the time can be seen at the following URL:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14377445/JudicialReview_EveningStandard23rdMarch2005071.pdfNote the article by Mira Bar-Hillel reports that the Judge said that Committees "must not be slaves to the previous decision" or be bound to come to the same conclusion, although reasons must be given for departing from a previous decision.Sometime later, I met a former Member of the Planning Committee who said that he thought that Mr Chisnell deserved to be made a "Freeman of the Borough" for tackling the Planning Department over this case and for getting the High Court to "lift the chains" from the Planning Committee.This is NOT what the "shackled" Ealing Planning Committee was told by Mr Harding on the night of 26th November 2014 prior to voting the Hanwell case though and despite the strong objections from the Hanwell Community Forum and the furious speech by Elthorne Ward Councillor, Cllr. Yoel Gordon.

Victor Mishiku ● 4066d

Dear NicholasIn your query you asked about the legal advice given by the planning officer to the Planning Committee instructing them on how they could not vote the application down on any new ground beyond what had been given as a reason for refusal by the previous Council's Committee Members in April (prior to the change in Committee Members brought about by the May 2014 Local Elections).On thinking about this more and having read the Formal Compaint made by Ms Carolyn Brown, Chairman of the Hanwell Community Forum on 11th December 2014, I am querying why the planning officer actually presumed to instruct the Planning Committee how to vote at all?If there is a legal principle, then it should have been the Legal Officer present, Ms Alison Luff to explain the law to the Members of the Planning Committee.Many of the Members are entirely new to the Council and have only been on the Committee for 7 months  - naturally, they would hesitate to question what they are being told.I have been attending Planning Committes for 28 years and with experience of many cases, when a fundamental mistake is made, alarm bells start ringing!I was the person who suggested that Mr Chisnell in the L.B. Richmond case should take counsel's opinion when the Planning Committee believing that they had no other option granted planning permission to an unsightly and overbearing development at 173 Whitton Road.  The senior counsel that reviewed the case said that he thought that I was right when I remarked that the planning officer and former Chairman of the Planning Committee had misled the entire Committee before the vote took place by suggesting that the Committee Members were "bound" by and limited to previous reasons given in earlier decisions for similar developments at the same property.As you have seen from earlier postings, Mr Justice Newman quashed the planning permission granted by L.B.Richmond. The Council had to pay £19,000 costs to Mr Chisnell's Solicitors plus bear its own costs.When the case was sent back to Committee for consideration afresh, the Chairman, Cllr. Virginia Morris, said at the start of the debate that "the chains have been lifted"!The Committee refused the application on fresh grounds (not previously employed in the earlier similar application).  That refusal was later appealed against by the developer. The Planning Inspectorate dismissed his appeal following an Appeal Hearing (informal mode) at York House, which I attended and gave evidence at.The developer has not shown his face again.An article in the Evening Standard at the time can be seen at the following URL:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14377445/JudicialReview_EveningStandard23rdMarch2005071.pdfNote the article by Mira Bar-Hillel reports that the Judge said that Committees "must not be slaves to the previous decision" or be bound to come to the same conclusion, although reasons must be given for departing from a previous decision.Sometime later, I met a former Member of the Planning Committee who said that he thought that Mr Chisnell deserved to be made a "Freeman of the Borough" for tackling the Planning Department over this case and for getting the High Court to "lift the chains".This is NOT what the "shackled" Ealing Planning Committee was told by Mr Harding on the night of 26th November 2014 prior to voting the Hanwell case though and despite the strong objections from the Hanwell Community Forum and the furious speech by Elthorne Ward Councillor, Cllr. Yoel Gordon.

Victor Mishiku ● 4066d

The case referred to was held in the Administrative Court The full Judgment given by Mr Justice Newman on 27th January 2005 quashing the planning permission can be seen at the second link at the end of this posting. The Defendants were L.B.Richmond. The main ground for challenging the Council was because of the wrong advice given to the Planning Committee by both a planning officer and the former Chairman of the Committee prior to the voting.In my letter to Ealing Council about the very recent Hanwell case, I sent them the full Judgment together with a Property Law Journal by Gerald Moran of Lincoln's Inn dated 7th March 2005, which includes the following:"... previous refusals had not identified design or neighbour impact as being unacceptable. At the meeting the officers were asked to advise on the position, and an officer advised that it would be difficult to take a  different view on what had been considered previously.  Newman J said that this opinion was not sufficient guidance on the legal principles concerning consistency.  The committee should have been told in clear terms that it was open to them to exercise their own judgement, and that the previous decisions were merely a material consideration.  Another officer advised the committee that there would need to be a material change in circumstances to introduce a new ground for refusal based on neighbour impact.  Newman J said that there was no justification for this advice. There was simply a need for the committee to understand the importance of consistency, and a need for it to express a reason if it departed from the reasoning of the previous decisions by the officers, reflecting its own judgment on this issue.One committee member (the former chairman) emphasised that members were bound by the previous decisions, limiting grounds for refusal.  Newman J concluded that the advice of officers may also have led other members to this conclusion, or at least to influence the weight given to the factor. There was a real risk that members believed that their judgment on these objections were fettered by the previous decisions...."The case was also covered in the local Forum at the time and I have located the file (although possibly the links in it no longer work).  Please see the link below.https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14377445/ForumArticle_Twickenham%20Online.mhthttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14377445/Royal%20Courts%20of%20JusticeJUDGMENT_Chisnell.pdf

Victor Mishiku ● 4075d

This all came out in a chance conversation from a resident of Clovelly Road.So I don't have the full details. Trouble is nor does anyone else and questions have had no answers.However, I have spoken again today at length to my friend and she has given me a wider gamut of the issue with her blessing to post this.It is indeed a basement extension and sunken garden. The resident stressed that no-one really has any aesthetic issues with it as it won't really be seen.One part of Gloucester road and a part of Clovelly Road as well as a corner of Lammas Park has had a long and troubled history of sewer incapacity and groundwater incursion to the existing basements. With flooding and damp being a long standing problem. This problem led to the later houses in Gloucester road of the same design not having basements. It has been a 40 year plus issue for the residents of some of the houses going back to the days of the Met. Water Board and the Council, both of whom were proven as responsible for the problem which has never been fully resolved.  This became worse as the sewers and pipework aged and being rather shallow have been distorted by large tree roots and subsidence all of which was recorded and surveyed by...LBE Technical services as long ago as 1977.In torrential rain and in times of persistent wet weather, water and sewerage backs up the drains and floods the cellars.Some cellars have been tanked but ground water finds it's way in as well.LBE and TW tried a few modifications which prevented the extremes of flooding (up to 4 ft deep in some homes) but could not eradicate the problem entirely.At it's worst the water would surface out of the street drain covers and flow into Clovelly road and as those houses do not have basements would flood gardens and low doorsteps.  Since the works in 1978 this has only happened once but the pavement still often floods at the corner of the two roads.The problem is the lack of detail in the planning application and the fact that the works are excavating beyond the sub soil into the London Clay.It also excavates below the shallow street sewer.The new basement is considerably deeper than the existing basements which are really coal cellars.The problem is this property is right in the middle of the 8 Houses with Basements. There is no explanation or solution present as to where all the displaced water normal in the clay will drain or indeed where the additional rainwater collected will soak away and drain to.The problem simplified as exampled to me is like putting a brick into a full bucket of water.Most residents were not informed in any way by LBE planning who deemed it not necessary to notify all the potentially affected households or post a planning notice in the street.  Nor did they consider anything other than the visual impact, so recommended approval. It seems they made no checks on any history and only checked with any recent issues via the environment agency which of course would not have a record of a localised problem...That would be with LBE and probably Thames Water. Some of residents feel rather uncomfortable about the issue as it is only now with the works ongoing that the potential problems have revealed. Nor do they want a confrontation with neighbours. But the questions and fears have not been allayed.Further to that, there have been a lot of subsidence and drainage issues in basement excavations in other boroughs which has now led to some London Boroughs taking emergency powers to cease such applications.So with this already well known. LBE planners should have been more thorough and residents should most certainly not been kept in the dark.It's not the sort of thing that most of us would even think of much beyond how it might look so an objection would only come from someone with a degree of structural knowledge. Which is clearly where the system is failing us. Enquiries to the council have simply been met with the implication that if any future issue arises, the onus will be on individual householders. So all residents really want is assurance that the works cannot affect their properties or indeed lead to flooding, sewerage ingress or subsidence if the clay/water table shifts from the disturbance which can run up to a 75m radius.But surely this is what Local authority planning and /or Building Control is supposed to exist for. To protect the environs and other properties?If you want to see the magnitude take a walk around Lammas Park at the Clovelly road end. If I lived there I would be rather concerned to say the least.I hope that is clear as that's about all I know.

Anthony Waller ● 4083d

Thank you very much, Judith.Anthony, I have actually assisted residents in L.B.Hounslow from time to time and I remember that the first occasion involved me going to view a planning file at the Council offices and I later asked for a copy objection letter.  It was a hand-written letter (on paper smaller than A4).  I was told that the charge was £14 for photocopying!  I queried this as the Information Appeal Tribunal had ruled that a Council should charge a nominal 10p a copy for planning papers.  The Council staff said they knew nothing about this and would not accept it. I immediately reported the matter to Hounslow Councillors and to the local Dimbleby press having quoted the "David Markinson" case (which had been backed by the "Friends of the Earth"). My complaint appeared in the local press. Within a few days, the Price List was revised from £14 to 10p a copy!On a subsequent occasion, I had to write to the Council 26 times to obtain a single planning document regarding a property in Brentford needed by the owner of the property for a legal case of professional negligence against an Ealing Solicitor.On another occasion, I had to write at least 6 times to get a legible copy of a Petition, which had been supplied totally redacted with every line blacked out making a nonsense of the document!A few weeks ago, a resident I was helping pointed out to the Planning Department that an Application Form was invalid because of false information on ownership having been supplied.  The case officer dismissed this and insisted that the Application was valid.  I then wrote to Mr Brendon Walsh (Director - Planning) pointing out that his officer was mistaken.  The Application has since been submitted afresh with different details and with a further 21 days allowed in recognition that the original Application complained of was indeed invalid!It is regrettable that people running Ealing Planning can make such mistakes to the great detriment of local residents.  It is often said that if planners had to live next door to some of the developments that they so readily recommend, they might think differently!We have recently had 12 victories against assorted unneighbourly, out of character backgarden type developments in Ealing and Acton  - but in 11 instances, they were at properties where originally the planners had recommended that planning permission be granted.On each occasion, the Planning Committee rejected the advice of their own officers and managers and instead REFUSED the applications.  A number of them were then taken to appeal by the various developers.  All the appeals were subsequently DISMISSED by The Planning Inspectorate and despite, in one case, the Planning Department failing to lodge their 19-page Statement of Case in time (it was promptly returned to the Council as being inadmissible!). Fortunately, we had submitted comprehensive submissions opposing the proposed development (which was at "Abbey Lodge" in W5) and the Inspector dismissed the appeal notwithstanding the utter failure of the planners to properly contest the appeal.Victor Mishiku (The Covenant Movement)  29/11/14

Victor Mishiku ● 4084d