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CPZ in Darwin, Carlyle and Murray Roads

Is anyone else as sick as I am of these roads being used as a free public car park by every Tom, Dick and Harry from GSK, UWE and people heading to Heathrow? For those of us with young children it is getting beyond a joke. The situation will only get worse when Hounslow extends its CPZ to include Whitestile Road. There is a CPZ consultation due for our area soon, details will be discussed at the Northfield's ward forum next Wednesday. I urge residents to get behind it.

Simon Hayes ● 4305d28 Comments

Can anyone find the results on the Ealing website?Said they'd be published today, but I still can't find them.

Lee Page ● 4151d

Long overdue. Anyone with small children living in this zone has had to endure years of misery when it comes to parking. Well done to all those who voted for it, you will find your lives transformed!

Simon Hayes ● 4159d

I'm concerned that people with appointments at the health centre will not be able to find anywhere to park during the restricted hours. If you need a doctor's appointment then you may well find it hard to come on foot.

Susan Kelly ● 4159d

Yes I am.

Lee Page ● 4160d

Fred Image was from council but should be rotated on page now.Annemarie

Editor ● 4160d

Is everyone happy with this outcome for a CPZ as proposed?

Gerry Tan ● 4160d

Front page says CPZ to go ahead, but why does the map have East at the top instead of North? is this a ploy to confuse?

Fred Hunt ● 4160d

The problem is that as residents, signing up for a CPZ is a double edged sword.The problems is not caused by residents.The solution can be quite simple but the cost has to be borne by residents.Then the third ingredient, the most poisionous potion of all  gets added to the cauldron.......Council politics.CPZs were introduced as a service for residents, with a guarantee that they would not be costly or punitive to residents and that residents would have the right to amend, review or even curtail a CPZ .Above all it was adamant that the cost of permits and visitor permits would never increase above inflation and it would never be used as a means to raise revenue.That was stated at the bodge consultation of what is now Zone C where I was residing at the time. A council officer , Mr Metzger, The then council leader and several councillors all sat in the Polygon in St Mary's Church and stated this several times to a packed audience of 200 residents.Enough to appease a revolt from a Residents Association which had not been consulted and another residents association who pushed things through without consulting others.In the end it was the Lammas Residents Association of which I was a member, that paved the way for the less draconian Zone N although it was too late for similar in Zones C and S.What we have since seen is politicians like Cllr Mahfouz completely ignoring those pillars of democracy, coming out with a load of hogwash creating unfounded divide and rule between permit holders and non permit holders and a council that has hiked up the permit and visitor permits way above inflation and effectively screwing everyone in a CPZ whether you have a car or not.This shows no let up with continued over the top hikes in charges.Residents really ought to consider this carefully as freed up streets is one thing but the most fined and preyed upon are those who reside in it.

Anthony Waller ● 4170d

Anyone know when the results are published/announced?

Lee Page ● 4171d

"...the decision on whether to introduce a controlled parking scheme, will effectively be yours."Really?it seems to me on past form that the council just keeps asking the same question again and again until the residents give up and give the the council the answer that it wanted in the first place.

Tony Colliver ● 4272d

A little bit of an update:The consultation to determine whether local residents want to control parking across Little Ealing will take place in September.Those of you who attended the Northfield Ward Forum last month will have seen the draft documents.As local councillors we are intensely frustrated that this has been delayed.  Officers wanted to start the consultation in the coming week or so, with the exhibition in the middle of August.  However we felt that this was discourteous to those residents who would be away on holiday and so we have asked that the consultation start as soon as the schools return in September.The decision to formally consult was taken after strong recommendation from us ward councillors. However the decision on whether to introduce a controlled parking scheme, will effectively be yours. Kind regardsCouncillor David Millican

Lee Page ● 4272d

I agree that any CPZ should be aimed just at stopping commuter parking, not preventing patients at the health centre, who may not be very mobile, from parking nearby.

Susan Kelly ● 4297d

Hopefully people will look long sighted at this and remember that more than likely in one was or another that Reynard Mills will go ahead, as well as the Hounslow CPZ extension.This will clearly have a large impact on parking.As already said the CPZs introduced into the Hounslow roads south of Darwin Road have made a big impact stopping out of area commuters coming and parking in the area for free.The difference on Avenue Road is light and day, walking past in the mornings and evening (commuting hours) before the street was jam packed with vehicles, now there are spaces readily available for residents, walk on one street up (Whitestile) and you can see a huge difference. Jam packed all day.When Hounslow extend into Whitestile, South Ealing and Windmill Roads this with further Hinder parking north as out of area commuters want free parking.Also Hounslow residents (of which Raynard will be) will not be entitled to Ealing permits so this should again elevate the congestion for spaces on Little Ealing.An hours parking at the start and end of each day is all that will be required.

Lee Page ● 4297d

I went to the Northfield ward forum this evening. A consultation on the proposed CPZ is being crafted and should be going out in the next few weeks. There will also be a public consultation to visit. It has emerged that Hounslow will be extending its cpz to include south Ealing road, whitestile and windmill roads, which allied to the proposed development of Reynard Mills, will only increase parking pressures.Most residents I know only want an hour in the morning and an hour in the afternoon to end the commuter/Heathrow problem. Friends of ours in Avenue Road,in the Hounslow CPZ, saw similar introduced last year and it has transformed the quality of their daily lives.The recent Fielding consultation saw a poor response rate of 39 percent. I'd encourage south Ealing residents to be more involved - this is democracy after all!

Simon Hayes ● 4297d

Exactly why if you do end up with a CPZ you should try and make sure it is one that is best for the residents. It is not just a CPZ or no CPZ argument/decision.I can't see the Council ever putting the cost of permits down and the last increase wasn't inconsequential.  I really miss the 3 hr visitors permits.

Philippa Bond ● 4303d

Living on Carlyle Road, I think it is inevitable that a CPZ is needed due to people people parking their cars here for the week. The parking situation is not helped however by the amount of dumped cars on Junction Road. There are at least two Chrysler ex-private hire vehicles with flat tires. The new development on the corner of Carlyle Road has increased housing density but there is no space included for the additional vehicles this will no doubt bring. My main worry is the same as a previous poster - that Ealing Council will see this as a revenue stream and costs will rise and rise. Allied to this, the cost of getting work done to maintain our homes also increases due to the need for visitor permits.

Andrew Benfield ● 4303d

>What happens is that lines are painted showing where cars can park and this can be quite a lot less space than is currently being parked inIn all the cpzs I've seen in ealing there are no lines between the spaces themselves.I presume you mean that they put lines where cars aren't supposed to be parking anyway, like on corners, at junctions, opposite junctions, in front of drop kerbs etc...Funnily enough you're not supposed to park closer than 10 meters to a corner, UNLESS in a marked bay, so technically marked bays can increase the amount of legal parking available.Not that that stops people parking on corners, but if a fire engine fails to get round and a house burns down I wouldn't want to be the owner of a the car that blocked the fire engine from getting round the corner...

Paul James ● 4303d

Wow! An Ocado van that parks rather than just stopping in the middle of the road. What will they think of next?

Susan Kelly ● 4304d

What happens is that lines are painted showing where cars can park and this can be quite a lot less space than is currently being parked in.  The stock reply to this is that it makes it safer.  Possibly, but it that also depends on how careful users of the pavement and roads area.  I would suggest that people who don't live in a CPZ go and look at an area near them that is.I happened across some kids (accompanied) on scooters racing along the pavement yesterday at high speed - totally oblivious to other pedestrians or indeed cars that might be reversing out - across the pavement.  (I actually crossed over to the other side of the street for my own safety but feel in retrospect that I should also have spoken out.)

Philippa Bond ● 4304d

I don't know about Carlyle or Murray Rds but my bit of Darwin Rd always has plenty of parking spaces. I can see three from the window now and visitors and the Ocado van never have problems parking.

Paul Methven ● 4304d

There is a similar situation in Brentford.It transpires after local canvassing that those who were screaming for a full CPZ had huge 4WD cars or seriously believe they should always be able to park right outside their door.The loss of spaces from the regulatory interpretations by the authority would also reduce significantly spaces available to permit holders.It has to be remembered that the university students are also residents and thus will be entitled to permits as well.It all swings back to bad planning policy to not insist on decent capacity parking to be incorporated into every high density development, commercial or residential.  The last 2 Governments are at the root of this problem, but the unwillingness of local authorities to oppose such daft policies has not helped.The problem is that a full 6 day all day scheme is a big stick that hits residents hardest. Especially those with out cars but who depend on visitors.It is very expensive to have visitor permits for just a few visits a week and so far neither Ealing or Hounslow have taken the step to ensure over 70s get free visitor permits. In reality it costs nothing but it actually exposes the fact that CPZs are revenue raisers and gradually they become integral to the authoritiesrevenue income. Profit becomes paramount -Which they are not supposed to.The simplest solution is to have a scheme which operates for just a few hours.In Brentford, residents have proposed this with a late hour to give residents a chance to park in their own zone, which seems like the most common sense and fair proposal so far.

Anthony Waller ● 4304d

We've have restrictions for one hour in the morning and one mid-afternoon for the past 18 months. It's swept away the chronic commuter parking that had blighted our road for two or three years, making it difficult, even dangerous, for us to get in and out of our drives, as well as holding up the buses.

Susan Kelly ● 4304d

>You should also be aware that they reduce the amount of parking available on the road to everyone including residentsHow to they do this?

Paul James ● 4304d

I see the results for the Fielding Road CPZ are out and they have voted No.We have an all day CPZ and I wish we had a shorter one.  I don't remember having a choice.  We were promised that it would be revisited but that took several years and many of the consultation papers were not delivered.It does unfortunately seem to be a creeping thing as cars are displaced from one area to another.  Don't forget that people who live on the main roads where there is no parking allowed will also be entitled to parking permits.The info re traders on the other thread is interesting.  What are the arrangements for the big businesses?

Philippa Bond ● 4304d

Yes, it seems to be enough to deter the all day outsiders who park and makes it easier for residents to have visitors.  I believe the permits and visitors vouchers are cheaper too.

Philippa Bond ● 4304d

Agree with you Philippa, an hour in the morning and afternoon seems to be the best option to keep "outsiders" away; though CPZs aren't everyone's choice, they're inevitable in a city.

Gerry Tan ● 4304d

You may find that a CPZ with only an hour in the morning and an hour in the afternoon will work for you rather than an all day one.  Make sure that this option is offered to you and discussed.You should also be aware that they reduce the amount of parking available on the road to everyone including residents and they do not guarantee you a space even if you have a permit.  It also (for instance) doesn't stop others who live in your CPZ but much further away parking outside your house when they go on holiday because you are closer to the tube station.

Philippa Bond ● 4304d

Sadly, CPZs are a necessary evil few residents like. We were fed-up like you when car users parked in our roads all day and then used the nearby underground stations or went shopping, leaving their cars in "our" parking spaces. We had students from the Uni and colleges and people walking their dogs in the two major parks nearby...until the Council installed a CPZ - its a necessary evil in a large city like London...we're stuck with our CPZ now.

Gerry Tan ● 4305d